In my ~25 years of single speed and fixed gear experience, forward facing dropouts are better in every respect than track ends:
- wheel removal is much easier (and moreso with fenders, and moreso again if you're running a derailer for some reason) - adjusting the wheel position doesn't affect the rim brake position nearly as much (nice for manual gear changes). - QR can hold the axle *better* because of the angle of the dropout--the chain isn't just pulling the wheel straight in the dropout, some component of the force is going into the angled wall of the dropout. OK, track ends look nicer, and allow for shorter chainstays, but I'll take forward facing horizontals eight days a week. Eric On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 12:56 AM Jason Fuller <jtf.ful...@gmail.com> wrote: > Forward-facing, semi-horizontal dropouts of olde are okay for chill single > speed use but agree, not recommended for fixed gear because they tend to > slip forward during either hard acceleration or hard deceleration. With > track ends, the alignment screws prevent this. That said - I don't think > any modern Riv is going to attract very many fixed gear riders! Bottom > bracket is way too low, for starters > > > On Saturday, 15 July 2023 at 21:32:35 UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote: > >> Hmmmm? I don't know why you say that. >> >> On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 9:57 PM Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> If Riv wants to sell singlespeed frames to the singlespeed market it's >>> going to be with track ends. Most fixie folks wouldn't accept >>> forward-facing horizontal dropouts. >>> >>> On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 7:52:29 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote: >>> >>>> I was just flipping through the Tour De France: Centennial history and >>>> looking at 1920s and early 1930s photos; the bikes seem to have multiple >>>> clusters, perhaps just 2 cogs, on each side of the hub. >>>> >>>> I couldn't find a photo of the Roaduno; can anyone post a link or a >>>> picture? >>>> >>>> Didn't someone say it has track ends? I wonder why Rivendell didn't >>>> make the bike with horizontal dropouts; those make more sense for >>>> derailleur use without compromising derailleurless use; in fact, I find >>>> horizontals easier for fixed chain length drivetrains. Or perhaps track >>>> ends but a removable derailleur hanger. Oh well, I won't be interested as >>>> Rivendelll road bikes have tubing too stout for my taste, but it's >>>> interesting to hear about the possible drivetrain varieties. >>>> >>>> Me, I say bring back club-type IGHs. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 5:32 PM Peter Adler <divis...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> ... If someone uses a flip-flop wheel, with mounting for a track cog >>>>> on one side and a freewheel on the other, why shouldn't the freewheel be a >>>>> multigear freewheel, if the wheel's dished to allow it? Then you'd need a >>>>> frame-mounted hanger (or a derailleur-mounted add-on hanger) to mount the >>>>> "multi-cog negotiation mechanism". >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Peter Adler >>>>> Berkeley, CA/USA >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 4:01:03 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I keep forgetting about the dangling hanger. Such a silly thing to >>>>> have added IMO, particularly if 120 spaced. Admittedly I don't understand >>>>> the attraction to the 3-by-1 drivetrain, but regardless, a regular >>>>> vertical-dropout bike is well suited to that already. It's not a huge >>>>> visual impact, but it shouldn't be there in my opinion. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2c0efcbd-72e8-4275-9603-8e61ca90516bn%40googlegroups.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2c0efcbd-72e8-4275-9603-8e61ca90516bn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Patrick Moore >> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5b2fd24f-0569-4639-8697-3778fff2aa8fn%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5b2fd24f-0569-4639-8697-3778fff2aa8fn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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