PS: Supple Vitesse @ 33mm also fit quite well. Just enough wiggle room to make me comfortable.
On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 8:53:29 AM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote: > Well, Patrick, I just took a closer look at mine and I think it just > might. Of course, a lot depends on the rim. I have Open Pro on mine, with > 32mm Conti 5000s and 45mm SKS mudguards / fenders. Not lots of room to > spare, mind you, but the fit is just about perfect. So take off the fenders > and install 38mm tires I think might be a good swap. > > Jock > > On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 7:57:21 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote: > >> One more remark, FWIW, and not to discourage you from a 650B conversion: >> The Ram handled very nicely with 700C 32 mm tires; expect a slight >> reduction in diameter and an increase in width and a decrease in pressure >> to have effects on handling. Trail and flop #s might also change a bit >> depending on the width of the new tires. >> >> The Bon Jon Passes might be the best option. >> >> Question to all: Can a Ram, at least the second gen blue Rams, take 38s? >> Mine took 31s with fenders, just, so it might take 38s; but my Riv custom >> with single pivot takes 39s, crowding at chainstays -- ~2 mm clearance per >> side with 39 mm actual tire -- rather than under brake or crown. >> >> Again, FWIW. >> >> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 8:37 PM John Dewey <john...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Well, I totally agree with Patrick. >>> >>> Jock >>> >>> [image: RAMB.png] >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 7:42 PM Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I caution selling a proven nice Ram to buy a speculative nice LB. The >>>> Ram is a very nice handling sport-tourer (I use the term lightly, but from >>>> my experience with a 2nd gen blue Ram it rode very nicely unladen and, >>>> with >>>> stiff racks, handled modestly heavy loads with sufficient aplomb for a >>>> bike >>>> that is principally meant as a road bike. The Ram, or at least my Ram, >>>> exhibits that signature Grant handling quality: unerring straight line >>>> stability with "intuitive" turn-in; not twitchy, not sluggish. >>>> >>>> But yah pays yer money and yah makes yer choice. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 8:13 PM Max Faingezicht <max.fai...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Recently I’ve been getting low trail curious or more specifically I’ve >>>>> become very interested in the Lightning Bolt canti frame from Crust >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I’ve read some reviews in the 650b and Bob groups, also read Jan’s >>>>> review in BQ (thanks Eric!) and after speaking with a friend at the LBS >>>>> who >>>>> owns one I think it’s a worthy option. He said it’s the most fun bike >>>>> he’s >>>>> ever ridden and he’s got some nice rides to compare. >>>>> >>>>> Sadly the deal at home is that one has to go out (Ram or Gallop) to >>>>> make room for a new bike. Anyone here has experience with both the LB and >>>>> the Ram which would be the one to go? >>>>> >>>>> How would it compare with my orange Ram (the lightest of my builds >>>>> with no racks and 33.33 tires)? I have a 60 Ram and would buy a large LB >>>>> although I could straddle an XL for a more French fit. >>>>> >>>>> Im interested in hearing your impressions other than trail which I >>>>> don’t want to get into a discussion about. What do you love/hate about >>>>> the >>>>> LB? Or about the Ram? I should also mention that I have quite a few >>>>> options >>>>> on the more burly side of things in my quiver: hunqa, bomba and more in >>>>> the >>>>> middle a wilbury. This is not a bike that I plan to use for carrying >>>>> weight >>>>> or to go single track riding. It’s mostly a road / pavement bike with the >>>>> occasional gravel. I would use 42’s RH on it. >>>>> >>>>> The other alternative I could try is getting RH extra lights to >>>>> replace my jack browns on the Ram to give it another shot and see if I >>>>> can >>>>> get a more spirited feel. So far, it’s been a great bike but even though >>>>> I >>>>> love it: feel, color, weight, setup… I don’t think it’s far enough from >>>>> my >>>>> Gallop or even my Wilbury to make it the go-fast, no racks bike for me. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for your thoughts >>>>> >>>>> Max >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/B9CF3D73-49EF-4FAA-AC9F-E305320C04FF%40gmail.com >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Patrick Moore >>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing >>>> services. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> *When thou didst not, savage,* >>>> >>>> *Know thine own meaning, but wouldst gabble like* >>>> >>>> *A thing most brutish, I endowed thy purposes* >>>> >>>> *With words that made them known.* >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgtL9PMdwC5ngbKTzF0bK1UrieTRUAuqkv-ghuep9tJrWA%40mail.gmail.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgtL9PMdwC5ngbKTzF0bK1UrieTRUAuqkv-ghuep9tJrWA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CA%2BkTrE5W65GD4DA8PJ4m1GDoTf8Xzi07ySqfmJfRdqx-6EYPWQ%40mail.gmail.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CA%2BkTrE5W65GD4DA8PJ4m1GDoTf8Xzi07ySqfmJfRdqx-6EYPWQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Patrick Moore >> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing >> services. >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> *When thou didst not, savage,* >> >> *Know thine own meaning, but wouldst gabble like* >> >> *A thing most brutish, I endowed thy purposes* >> >> *With words that made them known.* >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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