And yet that very light 531 normal gauge 1973 Motobecane frame handled
heavy rear loads (all comparisons on Tubus Fly racks) better than much
stouter frames. Why should that have been?

To turn that into another question: what besides tubing stiffness might
make a main triangle stiff or stable?

It was rather remarkable: That presumably thinnish-wall, and certainly
lighter, normal gauge 531 Motobecane handled rear loads better (for *me* --
this is all judged by seat-of-pants feel -- than that (for me) overbuilt
2003 Curt frameset, and better than with the Ram.

Fond memory: grunting 45 lb on the rear Fly in a 67" fixed gear on that
Motobecane up an *uber-*steep 4/10 mile hill at 4 mph by the bike computer
-- yep, 20 rpm.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 6:13 AM Ron Mc <bulldog...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Patrick, on the rear load thing - that stability is in the main
> triangle.

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