P Moore asked:   "what besides tubing stiffness might make a main triangle 
stiff or stable?"
Frame size:  small frames are stiffer than large frames.
John HawrylakWoodstown NJ
    On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 10:48:14 AM EST, Patrick Moore 
<bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 And yet that very light 531 normal gauge 1973 Motobecane frame handled heavy 
rear loads (all comparisons on Tubus Fly racks) better than much stouter 
frames. Why should that have been?
To turn that into another question: what besides tubing stiffness might make a 
main triangle stiff or stable?
It was rather remarkable: That presumably thinnish-wall, and certainly lighter, 
normal gauge 531 Motobecane handled rear loads better (for me -- this is all 
judged by seat-of-pants feel -- than that (for me) overbuilt 2003 Curt 
frameset, and better than with the Ram.
Fond memory: grunting 45 lb on the rear Fly in a 67" fixed gear on that 
Motobecane up an uber-steep 4/10 mile hill at 4 mph by the bike computer -- 
yep, 20 rpm. 
On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 6:13 AM Ron Mc <bulldog...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Patrick, on the rear load thing - that stability is in the main triangle. 


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