I have two C17 and one B17 and ultimately the bikes that end up going on 
the longer rides ie 80-110 mile 18-20mph rides are the bikes with the 
C17's.  It took me a few longer rides to gel with the C17 but now they are 
my favs.  If you have not given your C17 a chance on a couple longer rides 
maybe give it a try.  took just a bit for the texture to not be so grippy 
on the bike shorts. I have a standard c17 and the C17 special. 

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 12:19:03 PM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:

> p.s. Here's a quite interesting video showing the manufacture of the 
> Berthoud saddles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0OeHK6sVEw.
>

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