On Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 2:11:06 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

Like Tim, I got an early Clem, thinking it would be an updated, 
proper-fitting version of an analog 80s or 90s mountain bike - because 
that's how it was initially concieved and described by Grant.   But I 
admittedly struggled on trails, just as you describe.  So it kind of 
morphed into something else, for other kinds of riding.  


 I too had the same Clem origin story. I had always wanted a Riv but 
couldn't afford one at the time while I was daily riding, touring, and 
offroading an my '90 Fisher MTB. When the Clem was announced I was over the 
moon, it sounded like it was designed just for me and the lower price point 
meant I could stop dreaming of falling into some money to buy a Hunq and 
get my first Riv. I think it's unfortunate that it was designed around the 
Bosco bars which made it impossible for me to get a good fit with less 
aggressively upright bars, and soon found out the extra long chainstays 
made it a chore to lift the front end even enough to clear sharp tree roots.
With the Clem not being up to off-road duty where I live I picked up a 
Jones Plus LWB to hit the trails on and what a revelation. Similar 
wheelbase length but it's the front center that is extended rather than the 
rear triangle, so the bike felt incredibly nimble and handled 
fantastically. Really smart design. Unfortunately I had to sell a bike to 
free up some funds and chose the Jones over the Clem which I regret.

I also wish that not every Riv model had growing chainstays. I still 
daydream of owning a beautiful lugged Riv that I could ride forever, I 
understand and appreciate their drive to innovate and embrace change, and 
know that change is the only real constant, but it's not always for the 
better.

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