Perhaps I should and I will. But some of his positions (carb = bad) as presented in this thread simply don't correspond to history. The Chinese are getting fat from Big Macs and other animal fare, not from their traditional rice. And I don't think you can refute the idea that minimal exercise is required for normal wellbeing.
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 10:55 AM, David Faller <dfal...@charter.net> wrote: > I think you should actually read "Why We Get Fat". What you are asserting > is largely refuted in the book. > > On 8/12/2011 11:00 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: >> >> One huge difference between our mid-20th-century-on and the lives of >> even relatively recent forbears is simply the absence of physical >> activity. I remember, as a boy in the late '50s and early '60s how >> road crews would use picks, shovels and hand-controlled jackhammers, >> while road crews today for the most part seem to have a big, yellow >> machine to do it all. And with the move to suburbia, people don't even >> have to walk to the bus stop or train station any more. You read of >> pre-industrial or early industrial workers who spent hours every day, >> six days a week, throughout their working lives, digging, plowing, >> sawing, nailing, axing, fishing, bricklaying, etc. Even my mother's >> family, who were well-to-do provincial squirearchy in southern Luzon, >> never owned a car until the Yanks gave my by-then-provincial governor >> grandfather a military surplus jeep after WWII: they walked >> everywhere. And kids were outside playing who are now very conspicuous >> by their outdoor absence in modern neighborhoods. Even my relatively >> active way of life, with 3K miles/year on a bike, is positively >> sedentary compared to the lives of even non-laboring classes back >> before the auto, the suburbs and 24/7 couch entertainment -- Samuel >> Pepys did far more walking than I ever do. >> >> Frankly, I expect that almost complete lack of activity is in good >> part to blame for so much obesity; it's hard to see how many obese >> people could even function if they regularly had simply to walk >> further than from couch to garage, or if they had to climb a couple >> flights of stairs. >> >> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Tim McNamara<tim...@bitstream.net> >> wrote: >>> >>> On Aug 12, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Zack wrote: >>> >>>> I am happy to let the scientists battle this one out! I will say that I >>>> have lost 20 pounds now in about 8 weeks, and my wife has lost about 10. I >>>> had way more to lose before starting a diet that is higher in fat, filled >>>> with vegetables, and some fruits than she did. It is working for me. >>>> >>>> I have also increased the amount of greens in my diet significantly - I >>>> now have them at all three meals. And I am drinking a significant amount >>>> of >>>> water (and managing potassium and sodium levels appropriately). >>> >>> I haven't read anything by Taube so I can't comment on the scientific >>> basis for his work, except to say that the science of human nutrition is far >>> from exact. And because we are omnivores, widely varying diets can keep us >>> alive and relatively healthy. What surely seems to be bad for us is a diet >>> high in processed foods, hydrogenated fats, salt, etc., and low in fiber, >>> phytonutrients, vitamins, micronutrients, minerals, etc. >>> >>> Americans (and maybe people in other places too) probably eat a fraction >>> of the vegetables they should. If you've added a lot of vegetable to your >>> diet, this is almost certainly going to be a boost for your health and will >>> make it easier to lose weight. Many vegetables are best eaten raw. Wash >>> them thoroughly in water, though, because pesticide residues are bad for us >>> and in many cases are bioaccumulative (stored in our tissues). If farmers >>> follow the pesticide guidelines carefully, pesticide residues are very low >>> but I know (from farmers) that this is often not the case. >>> >>> http://nutrition.about.com/od/ahealthykitchen/a/washveggies.htm >>> >>> There may be a link between pesticide exposure and the risk of >>> Parkinson's disease: >>> >>> http://www.nih.gov/news/health/feb2011/niehs-11.htm >>> >>> Generally the risk seems to be observed in people with a lot of exposure- >>> crop sprayers, for example- and I don't know of any specific research >>> linking the levels one might be exposed to in food with increased risk of >>> Parkinson's. However, washing fruits and vegetables is really easy to do, >>> takes just a minute, and why take potential unnecessary risks that are so >>> easily avoided? >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. 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