On Tue, 2013-04-16 at 10:11 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> 
> I think, therefore, that if Shimano and others simply brought back 8
> speed systems with friction options, we'd be where we need to be in
> respect of drivetrains. No? I agree that new systems are not, from the
> standpoint of both use and money, the best solution. 

I tried Sun Tour Sprint friction shifters with 8 speed Hyperglide.
Didn't work well at all: far too much ghost shifting.  I moved the
shifters to a new bike with 7 speed Hyperglide and found it worked very
well.  

Also: 8 speed never had a range of gearings that began with 13.  Other
than for juniors, they began with 11 or 12.  Nowadays just about all you
can get in 8 begins with 11.  Except on my 17" wheeled Moulton, I have
no use whatever for 11 tooth sprockets, and I would need a 44 tooth
large chain ring to get the high gear I like with a 12 tooth sprocket.
Summary: except for tandems, for me 8 speed gearing range is crap.

Seven, on the other hand, had several nice gear sets including 13-30 and
13-34.  Seven also has the 14-32, which is surprisingly perfect on a
650B bike with a 39/53 double.  What's more, all the 7 speed gear ranges
are still currently available, albeit not in the nice shiny versions
they once used to have, whereas just about all that's left of 8 is, as I
said, crap.



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