I don't think it's unreasonable at all to ask members *not* to bad mouth CF
without evidence of its defects. This is simply asking listers to be
reasonable. Mere expression of bias against this, that, or the other
because one doesn't happen to like it is clearly irrational and it is a
great way to degrade the content and tone of a list!

To say that today's CF bicycles are dangerous because they can fail
suddenly with traumatic results for the rider is a reasonable thing to do,
as long as one's data is up to date. Saying that billboard graphics are
ugly compared to understated graphics is fine as long as one grants
sufficient leeway to others' tastes. Saying that tight lycra looks funny on
fat people is fine as long as one is not cruel. But simply to sneer at
people who do things differently ... well I don't have to complete the
sentence.

On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 7:00 AM, Shaun Meehan <meehan.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Being familiar with Grant P.'s feelings carbon bicycles, and this group's
> strong preference for steel and in particular, lugged steel bikes; it seems
> a bit unrealistic to request that this group not engage in anti-carbon
> discussion. I would imagine it's akin to going to a group with a fondness
> for traditional film camera and ask that they not dis digital photography.
> Just sayin'...
>
> Shaun
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Ron Mc <bulldog...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm more comfortable - even without gel diapers
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 6, 2013 4:42:20 PM UTC-5, Liesl wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 6, 2013 8:17:24 AM UTC-7, Christopher Murray wrote:
>>>>
>>>> please oh please oh please let's not let this develop into an anti-
>>>>> carbon discussion. Lets just let everyone ride whatever kind of bike it is
>>>>> they want to ride and be happy that they are out there riding. We should 
>>>>> be
>>>>> celebrating our sameness (bikes) and not fighting over our differences
>>>>> (steel vs cf, tire width, position, etc.).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then On Thursday, June 6, 2013 3:39:12 PM UTC-5, pb wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> But if you apply that policy, how do you know -- and prove the fact to
>>>> others -- that you are smarter, righter, better, and part of a superior
>>>> group of people?
>>>>
>>>
>>> While I know that this is tongue-in-cheek, I humbly offer that  I am not
>>> smarter, righter, and better and that we are not a superior group of
>>> people—but rather that I am part of a group of people who are bound by love
>>> for things Riv, and especially by love for Rivendell bicycles.  We are
>>> bound by love and that is our sameness.
>>>
>>> okay, now I'll step down from my tiny tippy soapbox ;0)
>>> -RCW
>>>
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