Or, you can just keep it locally, which is what we plan to do. When staff have a patron standing in front of them, or on the phone, seeking help, they use the #h [gmd] description to quickly distinguish which type of material is wanted by the patron. That is supposed to be the basis of the entire FRBR/RDA changeover.
If I told them they had to read 336, 337 and 338 to determine item type, especially once I showed them the terms used ("oh yes and and 'unmediated text' is a book") they would troop down to Tech Services en masse and ask me if I had lost my mind. In the OPAC, III's field 30 Mat Type generates an a very specific icon, so we are okay there. We are currently suppressing the 3xxs in the public display. They take up too much room in the display because of where they fall, and they convey no useful information to searchers. Kathleen F. Lamantia, MLIS Technical Services Librarian Stark County District Library 715 Market Avenue North Canton, OH 44702 330-458-2723 klaman...@starklibrary.org Inspiring Ideas ∙ Enriching Lives ∙ Creating Community -----Original Message----- From: Kelleher, Martin [mailto:mart...@liverpool.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8:17 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA Well, it would still be nonstandard, plus probably isn't set up in most systems to act like GMDs. Assuming the cataloguers at our institution decide on such a direction, we'll probably just keep using $h unless the systems stop accepting them. Given the widespread support for GMD, it may be supported for some time to come, hopefully until the RDA powers-that-be come up with a more effective alternative.... Failing that, I guess we could use the same terminologies in one of the 330 fields, or perhaps a local field, and either suppress from display or delete the remainder..... If we're talking revising RDA, I'd prefer to re-instate the GMDs (with revised terminology) and abolish the 330s - I think that would be quite a popular revision! Martin Kelleher Electronic Resources/Bibliographic Services Librarian University of Liverpool -----Original Message----- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Elizabeth O'Keefe Sent: 23 October 2012 13:03 To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA How about using the $k subfield instead? Here is the current MARC definition of this subfield in the 245: $k - Form Term that is descriptive of the form of the described materials, determined by an examination of their physical character, subject of their intellectual content, or the order of information within them (e.g., daybooks, diaries, directories, journals, memoranda, etc.). 245 10$aFour years at Yale :$kdiaries,$f1903 Sept. 16-1907 Oct. 5. 245 00$aPL 17 Hearing Files$kCase Files$f1974$pDistrict 6$hmicrofilm (jacketted in fiche). 245 14$aThe charity ball :$ba comedy in four acts :$ktypescript,$f1889 /$cby David Belasco and Henry C. DeMille. Those who feel the 336-338 triad combinations are insufficient to convey the nature of a resource (we have this issue with three-dimensional objects and with manuscripts) might find the $k subfield in the 245 more hospitable to this type of information. Of course, this would necessitate changes to RDA, but the revision process is ongoing. Liz O'Keefe Elizabeth O'Keefe Director of Collection Information Systems The Morgan Library & Museum 225 Madison Avenue New York, NY 10016-3405 TEL: 212 590-0380 FAX: 212-768-5680 NET: eoke...@themorgan.org Visit CORSAIR, the Library’s comprehensive collections catalog, now on the web at http://corsair.themorgan.org >>> "Kelleher, Martin" <mart...@liverpool.ac.uk> 10/23/2012 5:05 AM >>> "Transcribed information in transcribed fields" only? I can't see the point of it either, if it makes the nature of that which you're examining more obscure..... Hear hear to reviving GMDs! A missed opportunity in RDA was the potential rejigging of GMD into something more user friendly - instead, we end up with just the opposite, it's removal and replacement with a clutter of significantly less user-friendly codified record cloggers (the 330s). The original GMD terms ARE unwieldy. What we've done for years is combine carrier and content in fairly well known terms, such as: DVD video DVD audio DVD-ROM Audio CD Video CD CD-ROM Videocassette Audiocassette Shocking, I know, but I suspect it helps people to figure out what we've got more than the 330s will...... Too late now? Martin Kelleher Electronic Resources/Bibliographic Services Librarian University of Liverpool -----Original Message----- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod Sent: 23 October 2012 01:35 To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA Michael Bernhard said: >Has anyone suggested that RDA be revised to provide for a GMD (in >addition to the new 33x fields)? This would be counter to RDA's effort to have only transcribed information in transcribed fields. The same reasoning was behind the abandonment of "[sic]" or supplying missing letters in brackets. I think the reasoning behind no additions was to make it easier to use captured data without change. Use without even standardizing punctuation is allowed. We fail to see what captured data they have in mind. We find ONIX information often not accurate, and more difficult to adapt than to just start from scratch, or cut and paste from PDFs. It was very difficult to get the option of adding missing jurisdictions in 260$a as opposed to a note, but I think that was accepted. Abandoning the GMD is counter to the findings of a survey done by Jean Riddle Weihs, as well contrary to common sense. Granted GMDs could have been improved by making the content/carrier distinction, perhaps even compound GMDs, but with shorter and more patron friendly terms than RDA's 33X. The GMD in conjunction with a more exact SMD worked quite well in our experience. Only systems able to provide understandable icons will escape the inconvenience of the missing GMD. __ __ J. 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