Yep. Definitely lower cost that tin-plated copper. Designed with PV frame grounding in mind. Lots to like....
On Aug 27, 2012, at 7:59 PM, Brian Mehalic wrote: > I think the tin plating is to minimize/eliminate galvanic corrosion. Tim > plated aluminum - now that sounds smart! > > Typos courtesy of my iPhone. > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:52 PM, benn kilburn <b...@daystarsolar.ca> wrote: > >> Kirpal. >> >> The Ilsco lug GBL-4 also comes with a stainless steel set-screw… as stated >> here….GBL LAY-IN AL/CU >> if that is all it takes to use the AL lug outdoors (stainless steel >> set-screw), then why have we been steered towards the 'direct burial rated' >> tin-plated copper lug instead of an AL lug with SS set-screw? >> >> I'm not trying to make a case to not use the SGB lug, I like it and would >> like to keep some in stock, as they seem pretty useful, I just want to have >> my bases covered if/when an inspector questions me on them being approved >> for the application. >> >> Dan, >> Agreed! Been trying to get an answer from Ilsco, just tracking down the >> right person with the answers. >> >> Cheers, >> benn >> >> DayStar Renewable Energy Inc. >> www.daystarsolar.ca * Ph: 780-906-7807 >> Construction Electrician Solar Photovoltaic Systems Certified >> Certificate # 0007S >> HAVE A SUNNY DAY >> >> On 27/08/12 5:42 PM, "Kirpal Khalsa" <solarwo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Benn...it looks like that lug has "stainless hardware for corrosion >> resistance" as stated on the brochure....That would be the biggest >> consideration as David Brearly mentioned earlier in regards to rust >> potential. Stainless hardware and tin plating is equivalent to the WEEB >> lugs....Tin plating and stainless hardware is as good as anything else >> available as far as outdoor ratings are concerned..... >> I see your point that it is not explicitly stated for outdoor use....however >> being marketed for use with solar panels also seems to imply rather >> obviously that it is outdoor rated.....in my unofficial opinion. >> >> -- >> Sunny Regards, >> Kirpal Khalsa >> NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 4:11 PM, benn kilburn <b...@daystarsolar.ca> wrote: >> Thanks for the feedback Wrenches, lots of interesting comments, >> >> However I'm still wondering….. >> How does one confirm that it is specifically approved for outdoor use? >> Other than assuming it is implied (because it is 'marketed' as a solar lug). >> As far as I can tell UL 467 does not imply "outdoor rated" as the aluminum >> lug "GBL-4" is also UL467 listed. See here…GBL LAY-IN AL/CU. >> >> As well, and as Gary pointed out with his second link, for a module >> bonding/grounding method to be acceptable, it must be recognized by the >> module manufacturer, no? >> Which means that any new bonding product on the market must have the >> blessing of each mod mfgr. >> (by way of letter or mention in its install manual). I have come across >> inspectors that actually look for this. >> >> Jason, >> you wrote "I like the looks of that lug. However, I've been using WEEBs too >> long to go back now." I agree, and i'm not looking to replace weebs with >> these, but these certainly seem to have a place in the What do you use for >> the bonding connection from the ?rails? >> This SGB lug was suggested for this purpose as well. >> >> >> Benn >> DayStar Renewable Energy Inc. >> www.daystarsolar.ca * Ph: 780-906-7807 >> Construction Electrician Solar Photovoltaic Systems Certified >> Certificate # 0007S >> HAVE A SUNNY DAY >> >> On 27/08/12 2:35 PM, "Gary Willett" <g...@icarussolarservices.com> wrote: >> >> Here's the Ilsco listing from UL, where it's classed as "Grounding and >> Bonding Equipment": >> http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=KDER.E34440&ccnshorttitle=Grounding+and+Bonding+Equipment&objid=1074099002&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073988940&sequence=1 >> >> The GuideInfo for Grounding & Bonding Equipment lists: >> Grounding and Bonding for Photovoltaic (PV) Systems — Grounding and bonding >> equipment intended for use in PV systems are additionally investigated in >> combination with the PV module/panel (see QIGU) to the applicable >> requirements for such products. Installation instructions provided with the >> PV system (see QIGU) identify the specific grounding and bonding device that >> has been investigated and intended for use with that system. >> http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?&name=KDER.GuideInfo&ccnshorttitle=Grounding+and+Bonding+Equipment&objid=1074098839&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073988940&sequence=1 >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Gary Willett, PE >> On 8/27/2012 3:20 PM, David Brearley wrote: >>> Yes, sorry. I wasn't speaking of this lug...I like the redesign. Looks >>> quicker and easier and robust. >>> >>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Jason Szumlanski wrote: >>> >>>> Yeah, but this one is marketed as a solar bonding lug. I think it's safe >>>> to say that it appropriately rated for outdoor use. It's always good to >>>> double-check, of course. >>>> >>>> Jason Szumlanski >>>> Fafco Solar >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 4:11 PM, David Brearley >>>> <david.brear...@solarprofessional.com> wrote: >>>> Some of the aluminum lugs are indoor-rated. They have a set screw will >>>> rust in an outdoor environment. That's one of the >>>> classic John Wiles slides. I'd just watch out for that.... >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 12:53 PM, Brian Mehalic <br...@solarenergy.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I believe the UL467 listing means that it is rated for direct >>>>>> burial/outdoor use. >>>>>> >>>>>> Brian Mehalic >>>>>> NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer™ R031508-59 >>>>>> IREC ISPQ Certified Affiliated Instructor/PV US-0132 >>>>>> >>>>>> PV Curriculum Developer and Instructor >>>>>> Solar Energy International >>>>>> http://www.solarenergy.org >>>>>> .org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> List sponsored by Home Power magazine >> >> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >> >> Options & settings: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> List-Archive: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> List rules & etiquette: >> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >> >> Check out participant bios: >> www.members.re-wrenches.org >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ List sponsored by Home Power >> magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> List-Archive: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List >> rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant >> bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org >> _______________________________________________ >> List sponsored by Home Power magazine >> >> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >> >> Options & settings: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> List-Archive: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> List rules & etiquette: >> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >> >> Check out participant bios: >> www.members.re-wrenches.org >> > _______________________________________________ > List sponsored by Home Power magazine > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Options & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org >
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