I'll third the recommendation of a larger generator.  I quit trying the tiny genset setup 15 years ago.  My rule of thumb is the genset needs to be 50% larger than the inverter rating (6kw for a 4 kw inverter) plus the altitude derating.  Here in Colorado, you pretty much need a 8 kw genset with a 4 kw inverter.  Besides altitude, most gensets do not run right or put out clean power at full load.

I've recently found that fuel efficiency is not as bad as you might think for the bigger gen sets running at 50% rating.  The tiny bit of extra cost and fuel consumption is a small price to pay for reliable back up power.

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On 8/17/20 12:05 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar wrote:

Many of these issues also were solved with an inverter that had gen support or load shave.

Time for a new inverter or a generator that is twice the load wattage. This was common back in the day and as Steve said, some cases just can't be fixed. Another reason many have abandoned 12v inverter/chargers except for RV use.

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On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 10:54:11 -0700, Steve Higgins <st...@surrette.com> wrote:

Wrenches,

When the inverter charger charges the battery bank and runs loads this can affect the harmonics of the generator output.

Not much you can do about it other than putting in a larger generator to handle the inverter/charging load along with the loads of the system, and even in some of those cases depending on the generator dosn't even fix that.

I have seen some successful with filter caps on the output / Input of the inverter, but that is pretty hit an miss..


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On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 10:42 AM Will White <w...@solarenergy.org <mailto:w...@solarenergy.org>> wrote:

    I've seen that same issue too. I assumed that the battery
    charging, house base loads, and the microwave were too much power
    for the small generator. The voltage drops big time which I
    assume is what was causing the issue with the microwave and most
    likely with the dryer too.

    On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 11:51 AM Dan Fink <danbo...@gmail.com
    <mailto:danbo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

        I have the same problem at my place, and a couple client's
        systems, with Magnum inverter/chargers and small ~2-3kw
        generators (not just Honda). But the problem appliance is
        microwave ovens, doesn't matter which microwave brand. They
        run fine straight from the generator, and fine from the
        inverter with no generator running, but make a strange, loud
        hum, dim internal light, and food doesn't heat if the
        generator is also charging the battery bank. I'll try to
        figure out how to capture a waveform photo with my scopemeter
        and post it.
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        On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 9:37 AM Kent Osterberg
        <k...@coveoregon.com <mailto:k...@coveoregon.com>> wrote:

            Matt,

            I haven't looked at what the FXR does to the waveform of
            a 3000-watt Honda, but I have used an oscilloscope to
            look at the waveform of a small generator while an FX
            inverter is charging batteries -- it pretty much makes an
            ugly mess of the voltage waveform. Not surprised to hear
            that some loads don't like to operate when the FXR is
            charging batteries from a small generator. The FX charger
            has a poor power factor and little filtering of the
            current waveform, it is a tough load on a small
            generator. The generator responds with lots of harmonic
            voltages and high frequency noise.

            Kent Osterberg
            Blue Mountain Solar


            On 8/15/2020 8:06 AM, Matt Sherald wrote:
            Hello All,
            My curiosity was piqued by a recent customer complaint. 
            I'm hoping someone has bumped up against this issue before.
            The customer has a OB FXR2812 and a 3,000W Honda gen.
            Her gas clothes dryer runs just fine off the OB inverter.
            It runs properly on the Honda gen (when the inverter is
            bypassed)
            It will not run when the gen is on and battery charging
            is taking place.
            All the other AC loads (including the washing machine)
            run properly during battery charging with the gen.
            The OB inverter replaced an old Trace unit.  The dryer
            worked as it should with the Trace during battery charging.
            Any thoughts are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

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