Movement? Maybe, but as far as I can tell it’s just a forum to complain as I see no activity that could actually impact the NEC® via the clearly defined and delineated process. Also there are a few flat-out false claims on the site, along with a call to action to fix module level shutdown by…having module level shutdown in the junction box? Most of the complaints seem to come down to connector standardization (which obviously was not the issue with the APS meltdown that started this thread).
Brian > On Aug 28, 2021, at 7:07 AM, drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org wrote: > > > There is a movement to do away with module level shutdown. > > https://www.fixmlsd.com/?utm_campaign=solarbuilder_comment&utm_medium=email&utm_source=fixmlsd > > FixMLSD has convincing arguments that MLSD is less safe than safe than an arc > fault protective device with a standard string configuration. Given the many > problems with MLSD devices, it seems likely that this is true. > > Drake > > > > Drake Chamberlin > > Athens Electric LLC > > Ohio Electrical Contractor’s License 44810 > > CO Master Electrician’s License 4526 > > NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional > > > > --- > > > >> On 2021-08-27 09:02, Tump wrote: >> >> I would once again say that; we as an industry can influence not only the >> writing of the code but with what we are buying OR not buying. >> If the devices we are required to install to make things "more safe & >> reliable", at the cost of our livelihoods & reputations, we all need to make >> the folks that are building the RSD crap and those who require installation >> of questionably safe & reliable crap aware of these problems. >> WE can thru either going to the code development meetings AND NOT buying or >> installing this stuff. Not too easy when a huge amount of solar is rooftop >> installs. As many of the installers in the NE know its not a single level >> ranch were installing this stuff on, short season & man lift required. >> Tell your supplier why you are not buying that brand, let your supplier & >> folks on the list what manufacture has good reliable products AND tech >> support that we can understand, who we can get in a timely fashion, and get >> the satisfaction of a prompt replacement. IF we don't sell it they won't >> have a job or a market. >>> On Aug 26, 2021, at 2:09 PM, Jeremy Coxon <jco...@sunwindpowerinc.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Carl, >>> >>> Did you get any kind of joy out of APSmart on that failure? >>> >>> I will say that their tech support guy did at least try to be helpful, but >>> the language barrier was really really steep and their distribution >>> channels are less than ideal. Their response to a request for compensation >>> was that they would not be profitable if they had to pay for truck rolls >>> for such a low cost item. I really don't think they GET IT. We've been in >>> business for over 16yrs and this one failure could easily have ended that >>> run. >>> >>> I cannot imagine we're alone here. I was told by AP that their failure >>> rate was 0.2%. Now, I come from a reliability engineering background in >>> petro chemical/ big pharma where a 0.2% failure rate would be catastrophic. >>> Can you imagine that 2 out of every 1000 pills made could cause death? We >>> engineered secondary systems and multiple quality checks to contain >>> catastrophic consequences for components that had know failure rates higher >>> than acceptable values. A simple solution to this fire initiation issue >>> would be a metal enclosure instead of plastic casing. That still doesn't >>> really solve the problem of extra connections though. >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> Jeremy Coxon NABCEP # 091308-21 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >>> >>> Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org >>> >>> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >>> >>> Change listserver email address & settings: >>> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >>> >>> There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the >>> other: >>> https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ >>> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >>> >>> List rules & etiquette: >>> http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >>> >>> Check out or update participant bios: >>> http://www.members.re-wrenches.org > _______________________________________________ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the > other: > https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List rules & etiquette: > http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > http://www.members.re-wrenches.org >
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