Is this the same concept as Tigo?  (and others)

On 8/31/2021 5:15 PM, Jerry Shafer wrote:
With outback fire raptor has been successful, it has a power supply and if you shut the inverter or use the button either will shut off the RSD. This is all it is no optimizer, no data, no bypass for shade just RSD.
Jerry

On Fri, Aug 27, 2021, 8:48 AM James Jarvis <j...@aprsworld.com <mailto:j...@aprsworld.com>> wrote:

    So who has a good reliable off grid RSD? It all looks like failure
    prone garbage to me.

    Thank you,

    -James Jefferson Jarvis
    APRS World, LLC
    +1-507-454-2727

    (Sent from my phone. My apologies for spelling errors and brevity.)

    On Fri, Aug 27, 2021, 05:02 Tump <t...@swnl.net
    <mailto:t...@swnl.net>> wrote:

        I would once again say that; we as an industry can influence
        not only the writing of the code but with what we are /buying/
        OR /not buying./
        If the devices we are required to install to make things “more
        safe & reliable”, at the cost of our livelihoods &
        reputations, we all need to make the folks that are building
        the RSD crap and those who require installation of
        questionably safe & reliable crap aware of these problems.
        WE can thru either going to the code development  meetings AND
        NOT buying or installing this stuff. Not too easy when a huge
        amount of solar is rooftop installs. As many of the installers
        in the NE know its not a single level ranch were installing
        this stuff on, short season & man lift required.
        Tell your supplier why you are not buying that brand, let
         your supplier & folks on the list what manufacture has good
        reliable products AND tech support that we can understand, who
        we can get in a timely fashion, and get the satisfaction of a
        prompt replacement.  IF we don’t sell it they won’t have a job
        or a market.
        On Aug 26, 2021, at 2:09 PM, Jeremy Coxon
        <jco...@sunwindpowerinc.com
        <mailto:jco...@sunwindpowerinc.com>> wrote:

        Carl,

        Did you get any kind of joy out of APSmart on that failure?

        I will say that their tech support guy did at least try to be
        helpful, but the language barrier was really really steep and
        their distribution channels are less than ideal.  Their
        response to a request for compensation was that they would
        not be profitable if they had to pay for truck rolls for such
        a low cost item.  I really don’t think they GET IT.  We’ve
        been in business for over 16yrs and this one failure could
        easily have ended that run.

        I cannot imagine we’re alone here.  I was told by AP that
        their failure rate was 0.2%. Now, I come from a reliability
        engineering background in petro chemical/ big pharma where a
        0.2% failure rate would be catastrophic.  Can you imagine
        that 2 out of every 1000 pills made could cause death?  We
        engineered secondary systems and multiple quality checks to
        contain catastrophic consequences for components that had
        know failure rates higher than acceptable values.  A simple
        solution to this fire initiation issue would be a metal
        enclosure instead of plastic casing.  That still doesn’t
        really solve the problem of extra connections though.

        Best Regards,
        Jeremy Coxon NABCEP # 091308-21
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