Momentum is strong enough that we would follow developers to a red6 or red7
(or whatever new name it needs) project in no time.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Dominick Accattato
Sent: Martes, 21 de Agosto de 2007 04:35 p.m.
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Red5] H.264 codec on Flash player... but not for Red5?


Hank, as always I appreciate your comments on these matters.

Additionally, I just checked an existing site I created and Sorenson is
still streaming fine, and I'd imagine that On2 will as well.  I had no
doubts that they would as Adobe strives for backward compatibility even
though they have made security enhancements that broke existing content in
the past. 

I'm not sure why he wrote that it doesn't support sorenson


On 8/21/07, hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >
wrote: 

1. I am not clear what name you are saying red5 comes close to infringing. 
 
2. If it does, there are no damages without notice. You cannot sue if you
ask someone to change the name and they do. Its not like copyright
infringement where any infringement creates a statutory liability. Therefore
any intelligent open source project would just change its name. This would
not be a smart strategy for eliminating open source and I *strongly* doubt
red5 is at any risk from this kind of a plan. 
 
Regards,

Hank

 
On 8/21/07, Donnacha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >
wrote: 


RE: Trademarks

To clarify what I meant, this issue has come up in discussion with 
some very switched on people but not, I have to stress, anyone in 
Adobe itself.  The context was people in fairly high positions,
discussing the tricky problem, faced by many proprietary software
makers, of how to counter OSS competition without provoking a
publicity backlash; Adobe/Red5 came up as a perfect case study. 

There was total agreement that the Red5 developers have been
meticulous in ensuring that they didn't infringe Adobe's IP but the
name itself was identified as their Achilles heal, not necessarily
because it infringes a trademark or servicemark, although it may, but
because it comes close enough to justify a court case.

The case of a claimant against Red5 would not be strong enough to
guarantee a win and, therefore, would not be worth taking UNLESS a 
third party anonymously funded the legal costs as a distraction/FUD
tactic, just as Microsoft part-funded SCO's anti-Linux actions.  This
form of anonymous funding is 100% legal and very common practice among 
American corporations.

In the case of targeting OSS projects, the presumption is that no
formal structure is in place to fund a defense and that the costs will
be borne by the lead developers with no prospect, in this type of 
action, of re-couping their costs even if they win - each side eats
their own costs.

This expensive process massively favors corporations and the vast
majority of these disputes never make it to court, never come to 
public attention.

As any such action would be a once-off opportunity and would be held
in reserve until it can be used to maximum effect, probably after the
project goes 1.0 and a lot of momentum has built up behind the 
disputed name - being forced to change it at that point would be a
serious set-back.

When the project was initially launched, I presumed that Red5 was
temporary title, a cute Star Wars reference that would soon be 
replaced with a better name, one for which the .com was still
available.  I never expected it would last this long, I figured that a

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