Yesterday, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 04:55:36PM -0500, Matt Wilson wrote:
> > What I'd like to encourage is for people to come to redhat-devel-list
> > to make comments, suggestions, complaints, and even patches to the
> > core Red Hat Linux distribution. If you have a pet peeve bug that
> > really bothers you, bring it out into discussion here. Want to
> > implement new and interesting interdependency mechanism for service
> > initscripts? Talk about how it should be done here... Etc.
> >
> > We've always welcomed developer feedback. I just think we need to
> > communicate which forums are best for which kinds of feedback and
> > participation better.
I couldn't agree more on this one... Red Hat seems to have
a view of what contact medium is the most appropriate for any given
communication, but you're not sharing that info as widely as it needs to
be spread. I've seen a number of lists of mailing lists that say
the opposite, for example at http://www.linux.org/docs/lists.html is
this: "redhat-devel-list -- Software development under Red Hat Linux
including availability of ALPHA and BETA quality software that is being
made available for testing purposes."
(btw everyone, I've given up on the nfs install tree script, as
nfs exports of loopback mounts do not appear to work at all. :( )
> How about:
>
> *) advertising this list more prominently, and giving a clear
> description about what should be discussed here?
same probably goes for ALL the lists, and that includes non redhat.com web
pages, like above. I've seen some mailman installations that have this on
the list-info page... it almost looks like someone just needs to fill in
some more information for mailman? (not sure about that, but it would be
nice if it were that simple.)
> *) including on that page, the email addresses for the Red Hat
> developers responsible for particular portions of the distribution, so that
> people can communicate with them directly?
eek! usually a bad idea, keep everything on the list, at least in terms of
published contact addresses. If people want to take discussions off list
they will, but when you publish a direct contact address you've no idea
where it will end up.
> *) include a link to that page on the bottom of every email posted to this
> list? (this is already done, but it bears repeating, since the new page would
> look quite a bit different)
>
> *) make the page HTTP not HTTPS
>
> *) make the member list of this list available to everyone
please don't. I get enough spam as it is....
> *) make the archives of this list available to everyone
yes, please.
> *) announcements on this list from particular maintainers, when new
> packages are uploaded, along with changelogs and todo lists?
I think that's what redhat-announce is for. Personally I dropped off that
list when I realized that every three days I was getting an announcement
for the x.y.nn-01, x.y.nn-02, x.y.nn-03, etc.... builds of the same
version of the same package, but with minor little stuff
changed... iirc the last straw was a 12kb note that a new version was put
up because of a trivial typo in the readme. :(
> *) start developing a set of guidelines for outside developers, that will help
> them contribute. Perhaps coding standards, standards for bug reporting, etc.
I like to think of rawhide like debian unstable... except that unstable is
*EASY* to find... rawhide isn't.
Also, as someone else pointed out, if this list of for development *OF*
rhl, then there needs to be a new list created for development *ON* rhl.
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