For pitchers, I like WHIP Wins and ERA can be misleading. It's harder to hide from a bad WHIP
On Jul 20, 2010, at 11:32 PM, Beaudoin, John wrote: > ERA can be one horrendous game or a season of terrible middle relief. > > I think the data just provided (referring to Dice K) shows how an outlier > datapoint game throws his ERA out of whack. > > W's are the most important thing. > > Hey, are you going to the game tomorrow? > > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue Jul 20 20:03:03 2010 > Subject: Re: Sheesh! > > W&L is just a measure of run support or luck. > > It's meaningless. > > On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Beaudoin, John <[email protected]> > wrote: > W's and L's mean more than ERA, don't you think? ERA is a very very very very > good 2nd stat to look at. > > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue Jul 20 17:53:02 2010 > Subject: Re: Sheesh! > > This is why God gave us states. > > Dice-K ERA: 4.29 > > 4.29 = Meh > > And that sums up his season. > > Dice-K has a long way to go before I'll get excited about seeing him pitch. > > Ray > > > On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> > wrote: > That's just not true. Dice K's perceived sins far outweigh the truth. > > On June 7, he threw eight shutout innings. > > That was followed by ... > > 2 runs in 5 IP > 3 runs in 6 IP > 4 runs in 5 IP (an ugly 8 hits and 4 bb) > 2 runs in 6 IP > and last night, 1 run in 6.7 IP > > Prior to the eight shutout innings on June 7, he had given up ... > > 3 runs in 6.7 IP (no walks!) > 3 runs in 4.7 IP (2 hits, but 8 walks!) > 0 runs in 8 IP (1 hit) > > He can still be excruciating to watch, he doesn't go deep into most games and > his first innings have been nightmares, but he hasn't had four straight > pitiful starts (though three of his first four were bad). In his last nine > starts, he's only given up more than three earned runs once (and that was > four). Six of them were "quality" starts. > > Steve O > > > > > On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Larry Rupp <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm normally the optimist here but last time he had a good game he followed > that with 4 straight pitiful ones so until I see some consistency from him > he's not getting out of the penalty box with me. It's nice to see Beckett > back which leaves Lackey, Wake, and Dice to fight for the 2 starting spots in > a 5 man rotation. > > Sent from Larry's mobile device > > On Jul 20, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Having basically discounted him this season, preferring to depend on Lester, >> Bucky and Lackey, if Dice-K could get >> on a nice streak like this, what a benefit that would be. >> >> Dan D >> Central NJ USA >> >> >> From: "Beaudoin, John" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 11:57:09 AM >> Subject: Re: Sheesh! >> >> He didn't want to pitch to them. Smart move on his part probably. >> >> He was brilliant. >> >> >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tue Jul 20 08:54:10 2010 >> Subject: RE: Sheesh! >> >> OK - Admit it. Dice-K was almost enjoyable to watch last night. I have >> never seen him more efficient. I actually stayed awake through 7 because I >> was enjoying the show. >> >> Funny thing is that he walked only two batters, and both of them were on 4 >> straight balls. 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