I actually think Beckett indicated Tek is his preferred catcher but I'm not sure. BUT you're talking about a much younger Beckett. People change and preferences change.
Any way I am ready to LOVE Salty but he can't catch and he can't hit. Not yet anyway. On Apr 22, 2011 7:00 PM, "Steve Ouellette" <[email protected]> wrote: > Well, that put me in my place. > > Just saying that someone much smarter than me is saying that he can't > find any statistical evidence that all the savvy and pitch-framing in > the world amounts to anything. Is it hard to believe that someone with > the experience and athletic ability to get to the majors actually > possesses these basic skills? Like every first baseman can catch a > pickoff throw (Mo Vaughn excepted)? Every pitcher can cover first on a > bunt (David Wells excepted)? > > Josh Beckett was a master with Mike Redmond behind the plate; he > doesn't need a personal binky. That's an insult to him. > > Steve O > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >> Well gee I had no idea catching wasn't a skilled position. Let's put Lowrie >> behind there. >> >> On Apr 22, 2011 6:43 PM, "Steve Ouellette" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Keith Woolner, who was administrator for the other Red Sox list for >>> years, wrote for BP and now works for the first-place Indians, did an >>> in-depth study on catcher defense, in BP and in a chapter ("Is Mike >>> Matheny a catching genius?") of the book "Baseball by the Numbers." >>> Interesting stuff, and the conclusion: >>> >>> "One of the most controversial results from the sabermetric community >>> is the lack of evidence supporting big differences in catcher >>> defensive ability, other than differences in controlling the running >>> games ... the further we look into the realm of catcher performance, >>> the fewer places the elusive realm of catcher influence has to hide. >>> There is no objective evidence that the catchers considered to be the >>> best at their craft actually improve pitcher efficiency, increase >>> strike rates, induce more misses and fouls, or do anything else to >>> reduce batters' offensive output." >>> >>> Steve O >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Steve Ouellette >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> That's not consistent. You're saying Tek is five runs better than the >>>> generic catcher defensively? Per game? >>>> >>>> Beckett's ERA with Paul Lo Duca, Mike Redmond and noted poor pitch >>>> caller Pudge Rodriguez: 3.46. >>>> >>>> Steve O >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Those numbers are consistent with Beckett's Tek vs. Non-Tek numbers over >>>>> the >>>>> past four years. To say catchers don't matter is silly. >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 22, 2011 5:14 PM, "Ray Salemi" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> This is a low sample size issue. >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en.
