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On Sep 21, 2011, at 10:07 PM, Matt & Olga McSorley <[email protected]> wrote: > Prediction: They go 1-2-3 in the ninth. > > Six earned in 7 1/3, nice job Mr. Ace of the Staff. > > -- Matt > > From: Tom Salemi <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:45 PM > Subject: Re: "From the depths of Hell I stab at thee!" > > The thing that does startle me is the lack of pitching depth in the minors. > Was Casey Kelley our only worthwhile prospect (other than Doubront?) > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > My first grade math tells me the Sox are on pace to let up 2% fewer runs this > year as compared to last year while scoring 9% more runs. > > So was the error in thinking we'd give up far fewer runs this year? Or score > far more? > > Overall, I think it was reasonable to assume Lackey and Beckett would be > better while Lester and Buccholz would hold steady. Optimistic, maybe, but > reasonable. (Nothing is reasonable when it comes to Dice-K.) > > So at the time I didn't necessarily fault Theo for not making any major > moves to improve the rotation. > > In hindsight, however, I was disappointed to learn he didn't even make a > significant run at Cliff Lee. Seems to me that if you're just going to spend > money because you can (see Crawford) than spend it on a stud starter. > > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Charles Battikha <[email protected]> wrote: > The Lackey that Theo thought he was getting was a ERA 3.01 to 3.75 pitcher. > Maybe too much was spent. But he had 5 solid years with the Angles before we > signed him. I think the lesson learned is that you don't sign someone who was > quoted as saying. "I hate this bleeping place." Referring to Fenway. Of > course, Lackey has sucked home and away. But he has sucked tremendously more > at home. > > And yes, Lackey has had the worse complete year of any Red Sox starter in > it's history. That is a lot of suckiness. Usually, this level of failure > doesn't last a full season. > > > On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Matt & Olga McSorley wrote: > >> Theo needs a do-over on the 09/10 off-season. That was a $113 million >> disaster. >> >> -- Matt >> >> From: Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:47 PM >> Subject: Re: Fwd: "From the depths of Hell I stab at thee!" >> >> And yet Weiland outpitched Lackey. Anyone want to take a look back and >> find the last full-season Red Sox starting pitcher with a higher than >> 6.0 ERA? >> >> Steve O >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Matt & Olga McSorley >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Agreed. Apart from Papelbon, Aceves is their most effective pitcher right >> > now. He needs to be starting. The Sox were out of that afternoon game in >> > the >> > third inning yesterday. >> > >> > Kyle Weiland :: Bobby Sprowl >> > >> > -- Matt >> > From: Ray Salemi <[email protected]> >> > To: [email protected] >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:35 AM >> > Subject: Re: Fwd: "From the depths of Hell I stab at thee!" >> > >> > Unless you're already out of the game. Then he can't help you at all. >> > >> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > Well, the other argument is that in the BP he can help you several times a >> > week, versus just once every 5 days as a starter.... >> > >> > Dan D >> > Central NJ USA >> > >> > From: Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> >> > To: [email protected] >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:21 AM >> > Subject: Re: Fwd: "From the depths of Hell I stab at thee!" >> > >> > That's what Francona keeps saying, but if you're down by six runs in >> > every game, the bullpen's effect is marginalized quite a bit. >> > >> > I believe they said on the radio this morning that the Sox have ONE >> > quality start in September. That's horrifying. >> > >> > Steve O >> > >> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> It's a tough choice. The way some of the starters have been, Aceves' role >> >> out of the bullpen is almost irreplaceable. >> >> >> >> Dan D >> >> Central NJ USA >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:53 AM >> >> Subject: Re: Fwd: "From the depths of Hell I stab at thee!" >> >> >> >> Dice-K is dominant compared to the LackeyMillerWakefieldWeiland combo >> >> we've thrown out there in September. I'd consider asking Dice-K to >> >> throw left-handed if it will get any of those guys off the mound. >> >> >> >> Honestly, is there any reason NOT to throw Aceves out there as a >> >> starter? Most of the games over the last three weeks have been over >> >> before the bullpen could help out -- and those that weren't were blown >> >> by Bard. >> >> >> >> Steve O >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Well, you were half-right with the pitching. Glad we kept Beckett and >> >>> Paps.... And I still think that Matsuzaka was addition by subtraction. >> >>> >> >>> Dan D >> >>> Central NJ USA >> >>> >> >>> ________________________________ >> >>> From: Ray Salemi <[email protected]> >> >>> To: [email protected] >> >>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 11:55 PM >> >>> Subject: Fwd: "From the depths of Hell I stab at thee!" >> >>> >> >>> This prediction from a year ago is looking pretty good. >> >>> We did nothing to improve starting pitching and starting pitching is >> >>> killing >> >>> us. >> >>> >> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> >>> From: Ray Salemi <[email protected]> >> >>> Date: Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 10:28 PM >> >>> Subject: Re: "From the depths of Hell I stab at thee!" >> >>> To: [email protected] >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> This team, if we kept them next year, would struggle to reach the 91 >> >>> games >> >>> I >> >>> predicted for them this year. >> >>> The injuries actually had a marginal effect on this team. We mostly lost >> >>> hitters and still came in 2nd in runs scored. >> >>> The problem was pitching, and these problems were not due to injuries. >> >>> If >> >>> we go into next year with this rotation and bullpen we might, indeed, >> >>> reach >> >>> my prediction of 91 games. >> >>> Here's what we'd have if we kept this year's "dream team". >> >>> 1. Varitek -- 1 year older >> >>> 2. Ortiz -- 1 year older >> >>> 3. Lowell -- 1 year older >> >>> 4. Wakefield -- 1 year older >> >>> Then for a rotation we'd have (League average ERA was 4.14) >> >>> Beckett -- 5.78 ERA >> >>> Dice-K -- 4.69 ERA >> >>> Lackey -- 4.40 ERA >> >>> Closer Papelbon -- 3.90 ERA >> >>> >> >>> This is a 100-win team? What does this team have in common with any >> >>> 100-win >> >>> teams in the past? >> >>> Nothing, that's what. >> >>> As my friend said at the game today, "It's time to pull the bandaid off >> >>> all >> >>> at once." >> >>> This team needs a major house cleaning. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Beaudoin, John <[email protected]> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I want the same team next year. >> >>> If marginally healthy, then they'll win 99 games. If average healthy >> >>> then >> >>> they'll win 102 games or more. >> >>> >> >>> John >> >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> >>> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> >>> Sent: Sun Oct 03 16:14:25 2010 >> >>> Subject: Re: "From the depths of Hell I stab at thee!" >> >>> >> >>> I wanted to take a swing at Swisher when he dove somewhat into the >> >>> stands trying to catch the HR however instead watched him lay on the >> >>> ground in pain while the guys 3 rows back fought over the ball. >> >>> >> >>> Great game - I'm not a Lackey fan however if he can pitch like he did >> >>> today for the most part next year, we have a solid 1,2, and 3 starting >> >>> pitcher punch already in place. >> >>> >> >>> -larry >> >>> >> >>> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> But did you get Lowrie's??!! >> >>>> >> >>>> Dan D >> >>>> Central NJ USA >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> 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