Not from my perspective. I also don't think it's at all controversial for ownership to say, "Sorry Ben, your guy Dale just isn't doing it for us." Go out and find somebody else. Oh, and while you're looking .....
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > Is it even possible to consider that this wouldn't be an assumed part of > the job in 2012? > > I was surprised that the baseball operations folks had not considered > experience to be an important point early in the process. I'm glad they > came around on that point. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 2, 2011, at 8:02 AM, Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Ideally, I think the idea is that you want to hire someone who > > realizes that "this guy hits well against that guy" is valuable > > information. > > > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > >> That would not be in line at all. Your exaggerated statement defeats > your > >> point. I'm not talking about the owner flashing the take sign from his > box. > >> I'm saying a GM - armed with data - saying this guy hits well against > that > >> guy so we should consider allowing this guy to hit against that guy. > >> > >> Didn't realize you were such a goodbaseballman. I like your fedora, > here's a > >> cigar to chomp on. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> I'm sorry Mr. Owner, but lineups are below your pay grade. > >>> > >>> That would be line Kraft being consulted on 4th and inches. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> On Dec 2, 2011, at 7:49 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> I'm on the owner or the GM I better damn well have some input on what > goes > >>> on. I don't even have a problem with them consulting or even > suggesting line > >>> ups and who plays or sits versus certain appointments. The manager > still has > >>> plenty to do managing the clubhouse and the actual game. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Yes. That's the Grady Little rule. > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>> On Dec 2, 2011, at 4:52 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Just that one of their requirements was that they have 'input' on the > 'on > >>>> the field' activities. They wanted a manager that would be open > >>>> to 'suggestions' from the front office. > >>>> > >>>> Dan D > >>>> > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> From: Ray Salemi <[email protected]> > >>>> To: "[email protected]" < > [email protected]> > >>>> Cc: "[email protected]" < > [email protected]> > >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2011 2:27 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: How Bobby V Got the Job > >>>> > >>>> I don't see how these are the least bit incompatible. > >>>> > >>>> A big personality who loses is worthless. > >>>> Anyone who wins will deliver more cash than a loser. > >>>> > >>>> So it seems they are the same. > >>>> > >>>> I'm not sure what you mean by baseball operations wanting to "have a > say > >>>> on how the team performs on a daily basis." I literally don't > understand > >>>> the sentence. > >>>> > >>>> Ray > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Dec 1, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Different goals? Ownership is primarily concerned with filling seats > and > >>>> revenue - by-products of winning but also generated by > >>>> big personalities. Baseball Ops is concerned with winning now AND in > the > >>>> future and with having a say in how the team performs > >>>> on a daily basis. > >>>> > >>>> Dan D > >>>> > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> From: Ray Salemi <[email protected]> > >>>> To: "[email protected]" < > [email protected]> > >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2011 2:01 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: How Bobby V Got the Job > >>>> > >>>> This was an excellent article. So much of the analysis and writing > about > >>>> the managerial process started and ended with "Luchino is the Dick > Cheney" > >>>> of the Red Sox. This was a thoughtful discussion of how the team > made an > >>>> important business decision. > >>>> > >>>> It did strike me that "baseball operations" and "ownership" were > broken > >>>> into camps who required dialog and compromise to come to a decision. > I > >>>> wonder what makes that happen? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Dec 1, 2011, at 10:21 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Interesting take on the manager's search. I'm sure Dan Shaughnessy > won't > >>>> buy it. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/alex-speier/2011/12/01/v-victory-now-how-bobby-valentine-became-red-s > >>>> > >>>> Dan D > >>>> Central NJ USA > >>>> -- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >>>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> [email protected]. > >>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >>>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> [email protected]. > >>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >>>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> [email protected]. > >>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >>>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> [email protected]. > >>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >>>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> [email protected]. > >>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >>>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> [email protected]. > >>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. > >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>> [email protected]. > >>> For more options, visit this group at > >>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. > >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>> [email protected]. > >>> For more options, visit this group at > >>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> "Red Sox Citizens" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> [email protected]. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. 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