I don't think it's controversial. I'm just surprised the process was described as two camps between ownership and baseball operations.
Sent from my iPhone On Dec 2, 2011, at 8:55 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > Not from my perspective. I also don't think it's at all controversial for > ownership to say, "Sorry Ben, your guy Dale just isn't doing it for us." Go > out and find somebody else. Oh, and while you're looking ..... > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > Is it even possible to consider that this wouldn't be an assumed part of the > job in 2012? > > I was surprised that the baseball operations folks had not considered > experience to be an important point early in the process. I'm glad they came > around on that point. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 2, 2011, at 8:02 AM, Steve Ouellette <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Ideally, I think the idea is that you want to hire someone who > > realizes that "this guy hits well against that guy" is valuable > > information. > > > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > >> That would not be in line at all. Your exaggerated statement defeats your > >> point. I'm not talking about the owner flashing the take sign from his box. > >> I'm saying a GM - armed with data - saying this guy hits well against that > >> guy so we should consider allowing this guy to hit against that guy. > >> > >> Didn't realize you were such a goodbaseballman. I like your fedora, here's > >> a > >> cigar to chomp on. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> I'm sorry Mr. Owner, but lineups are below your pay grade. > >>> > >>> That would be line Kraft being consulted on 4th and inches. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> On Dec 2, 2011, at 7:49 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> I'm on the owner or the GM I better damn well have some input on what goes > >>> on. I don't even have a problem with them consulting or even suggesting > >>> line > >>> ups and who plays or sits versus certain appointments. The manager still > >>> has > >>> plenty to do managing the clubhouse and the actual game. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Yes. That's the Grady Little rule. > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>> On Dec 2, 2011, at 4:52 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Just that one of their requirements was that they have 'input' on the 'on > >>>> the field' activities. They wanted a manager that would be open > >>>> to 'suggestions' from the front office. > >>>> > >>>> Dan D > >>>> > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> From: Ray Salemi <[email protected]> > >>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >>>> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2011 2:27 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: How Bobby V Got the Job > >>>> > >>>> I don't see how these are the least bit incompatible. > >>>> > >>>> A big personality who loses is worthless. > >>>> Anyone who wins will deliver more cash than a loser. > >>>> > >>>> So it seems they are the same. > >>>> > >>>> I'm not sure what you mean by baseball operations wanting to "have a say > >>>> on how the team performs on a daily basis." I literally don't > >>>> understand > >>>> the sentence. > >>>> > >>>> Ray > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Dec 1, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Different goals? Ownership is primarily concerned with filling seats and > >>>> revenue - by-products of winning but also generated by > >>>> big personalities. Baseball Ops is concerned with winning now AND in the > >>>> future and with having a say in how the team performs > >>>> on a daily basis. > >>>> > >>>> Dan D > >>>> > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> From: Ray Salemi <[email protected]> > >>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2011 2:01 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: How Bobby V Got the Job > >>>> > >>>> This was an excellent article. So much of the analysis and writing about > >>>> the managerial process started and ended with "Luchino is the Dick > >>>> Cheney" > >>>> of the Red Sox. This was a thoughtful discussion of how the team made an > >>>> important business decision. > >>>> > >>>> It did strike me that "baseball operations" and "ownership" were broken > >>>> into camps who required dialog and compromise to come to a decision. I > >>>> wonder what makes that happen? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Dec 1, 2011, at 10:21 AM, Dan DiBiase <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Interesting take on the manager's search. I'm sure Dan Shaughnessy won't > >>>> buy it. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/alex-speier/2011/12/01/v-victory-now-how-bobby-valentine-became-red-s > >>>> > >>>> Dan D > >>>> Central NJ USA > >>>> -- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >>>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> [email protected]. > >>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >>>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> [email protected]. > >>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >>>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> [email protected]. > >>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >>>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> [email protected]. > >>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >>>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> [email protected]. > >>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >>>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> [email protected]. > >>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. > >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>> [email protected]. > >>> For more options, visit this group at > >>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. > >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>> [email protected]. > >>> For more options, visit this group at > >>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> "Red Sox Citizens" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> [email protected]. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. 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