On Aug 3, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Vance R. Koven wrote:

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After all, a parent's glowering is useless without at least the implied credible threat of direct action if diplomacy fails.

This is a highly contestable statement at least to the extent it implies the necessity of corporal punishment with respect to many if not most children. It may well be true that with some children if you spare the rod you spoil the child (even if you aren't an old testament adherent the principle may be sound), but with some if you use the rod you teach violence, and with others you never ever need corporal punishment. Some restraint of the child's freedom may be necessary at times, but even that is not needed with at least some children. And for others corporal punishment will not ever do any good.

As to my prior point -- even if parental control was premised on religious teachings (and is for many people still), that hardly makes the case that the constitutional right of parents to control their children's upbringing is based in freedom of religion. Again, do you mean to suggest that atheists have no rights to control their kids? That statutes relating to age of emancipation are constitutionally valid only as to religious adherents? That Jewish kids are emancipated at age 14?

Or are the statutes not unconstitutional for another reason? Surely parental rights derive at least in part from IXth Amendment, even if you don't like the right of privacy as a basis. (I submit that that is a terminology problem here -- the parental rights existed and exist under every theory of constitutional interpretation since the adoption of it, even if the term "privacy" is of "recent" vintage.

Steve


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