Absolutely.  They all have lobbyists.   I don't view the term as necessarily 
perjorative.  Just descriptive.   

Marci A. Hamilton
Verkuil Chair in Public Law
Benjamin N. Cardozo Law School
Yeshiva University
@Marci_Hamilton 



On Dec 2, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Paul Horwitz <phorw...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I'm curious about how this response relates to your response to Chris Lund, 
> in which you cited the Madisonian assumption that every group will seek the 
> maximum amount of power. It reminded me of this profile of Valerie Jarrett: 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/02/us/politics/valerie-jarrett-is-the-other-power-in-the-west-wing.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all&;.
>  
> 
> If Madison was right, then doesn't every group try to maximize its own power 
> and agenda? And doesn't every politically savvy group use lobbyists and other 
> means, such as inside power players, to that end? Does anything turn on 
> describing religious groups as having lobbyists and an agenda, and implying 
> that other groups are wholly selfless and decent? Or is that just semantic 
> advocacy?
> 
> On Dec 2, 2013, at 12:45 PM, "Marci Hamilton" <hamilto...@aol.com> wrote:
> 
>> The Texas municipal league and civil rights groups -- especially those 
>> protecting children's and women's and gay rights -- would disagree w the 
>> notion "substantial" is irrelevant.   And the TX legislature had no interest,
>> or so I am told by those groups on the ground in Texas.   I don't want the 
>> listserv to have the impression that the state RFRA battles are being
>> fought solely by law professors and religious lobbyists.   The civil rights 
>> groups that initially backed RFRA
>> have caught up to the agendas behind the veil
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   
>> 
>> Marci A. Hamilton
>> Verkuil Chair in Public Law
>> Benjamin N. Cardozo Law School
>> Yeshiva University
>> @Marci_Hamilton 
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