Fair enough.
> On Dec 2, 2013, at 2:10 PM, "Marci Hamilton" <hamilto...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Absolutely. They all have lobbyists. I don't view the term as necessarily
> perjorative. Just descriptive.
>
> Marci A. Hamilton
> Verkuil Chair in Public Law
> Benjamin N. Cardozo Law School
> Yeshiva University
> @Marci_Hamilton
>
>
>
>> On Dec 2, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Paul Horwitz <phorw...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm curious about how this response relates to your response to Chris Lund,
>> in which you cited the Madisonian assumption that every group will seek the
>> maximum amount of power. It reminded me of this profile of Valerie Jarrett:
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/02/us/politics/valerie-jarrett-is-the-other-power-in-the-west-wing.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all&;.
>>
>>
>> If Madison was right, then doesn't every group try to maximize its own power
>> and agenda? And doesn't every politically savvy group use lobbyists and
>> other means, such as inside power players, to that end? Does anything turn
>> on describing religious groups as having lobbyists and an agenda, and
>> implying that other groups are wholly selfless and decent? Or is that just
>> semantic advocacy?
>>
>>> On Dec 2, 2013, at 12:45 PM, "Marci Hamilton" <hamilto...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The Texas municipal league and civil rights groups -- especially those
>>> protecting children's and women's and gay rights -- would disagree w the
>>> notion "substantial" is irrelevant. And the TX legislature had no
>>> interest,
>>> or so I am told by those groups on the ground in Texas. I don't want the
>>> listserv to have the impression that the state RFRA battles are being
>>> fought solely by law professors and religious lobbyists. The civil rights
>>> groups that initially backed RFRA
>>> have caught up to the agendas behind the veil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Marci A. Hamilton
>>> Verkuil Chair in Public Law
>>> Benjamin N. Cardozo Law School
>>> Yeshiva University
>>> @Marci_Hamilton
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