We had a DB-420 style antenna (actually it was made by Signals, but it was 
folded-dipole design) on our UHF repeater at work. We were constantly having 
difficulty with portables being able to hit and hold the repeater and they were 
no more than 1/2 mile out. The local M/A-Com shop kept saying "too much 
antenna." We changed it out to a DB-408 and the problem was corrected. We are 
in rolling hills and the antenna was about 70' above ground level at a water 
tank. I plotted the antenna pattern against topographic map data and discovered 
that the portables were in some deep nulls with the higher-gain antenna.

In another instance, a UHF ham repeater on a pretty decent site was using a 
DB-420 style antenna (I believe it was actually an Antenna Specialists 
version). It worked great out at the horizon, but closer in mobiles would 
become noisy and portables were tough. It got changed to a Sinclair 4-element 
folded dipole, and the improvement was substantial. Slight loss out at the 
extremes of the coverage area.

I'm convinced that bigger isn't always better. You need to use the right 
antenna for the intended coverage. If all of your users are out at the extremes 
of where your repeater is located, the highest gain antenna might make more 
sense. I'd dare say that this usually isn't the case.

Chuck
WB2EDV



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Keith, KB7M 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:31 AM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Antenna Choice


  The area served by many of our radio sites (we are in Central Utah), sit at 
approximately a 12 degree downtilt from the sites.  Most of these sites are at 
3000-4000' AGL.  In some cases, we have opted for lower gain antennas to cover 
close in areas better.  We designate repeaters as local or wide area coverage 
to account for this.  Wide area repeaters get high gain antennas to aim for the 
horizon (about 50-100 miles out), and local area repeaters get lower gain 
antennas for about 5-20 miles out.  In some cases we opt for directional 
antennas such as corner reflectors or dipole arrays with all elements on one 
side of the mast when we want to cover the populated areas better at the 
expense of "the back country". 
   
  -- 
  Keith McQueen
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  801-224-9460 
   

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