This is funny. All they appear to be doing is placing a capacitor across the line at the service panel which gives some power factor correction to motor or other inductive loads. But that correction is AT THE POWER PANEL which is only inches or a few feet at the most away from the meter.
If you are not being billed for reactive power but only for real power consumed, as you are in a typical home, then it does absolutely nothing for you. It does not lower the current in your motor and does not help prolong its life. It only lowers the current going thru the meter. And since that extra current is reactive it cost you no more or no less whether it is there or not. The other thing is, if you have no motors in inductive appliances running that capacitor is still across the line drawing CAPACTIVE reactance current. Just the opposite of when the inductive load is on by itself. You would need a capacitor reactance value to match the inductive reactance value to fully cancel any reactive current. Not that this hurts anything on you electric bill as you still get billed only for real power used and not reactive power. You have just given away $299.95. 73 Gary K4FMX > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:Repeater- > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Reed > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:42 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT Power Factor > > The device works by changing the voltage waveform to get the most work for > the least energy. NASA came up with idea many years ago, and it does work > well. I think this was designed more for household appliances and such, > not > repeater systems, unless you are counting the cooler that holds the > 807's... > 73 > Mike - N7ZEF > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Kupferschmidt" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT Power Factor > > > Hello group, > > I need to chime in here and ask about a device that being sold as an > enhancement for saving electrical energy in a residence. > > The device is called Power-Save 1200 and you can see it at > www.power-save.com. From what I can glean from the web site it's a power > factor correction device that attaches to the load center wiring panel.via > 3 > wires; 2 are attached to a dedicated 20 amp 2 pole 220 volt circuit > breaker, > the other remaining wire is attached to ground. The instructions go on to > say that this device is designed to condition all power consumed by > inductive loads (electric motors) in the home regardless of installation > location. > > Their web site states: SAVE UP TO 25% ON YOUR MONTHLY ELECTRIC BILLS! > (Direct quote). There is a video on the web site that shows a volt / amp > meter reading before and after the device is activated. The unit sells > for > $299.95 + shipping & handling. The dealer who told me about this device > states that the unit will pay for itself over time. > > My brother in law is an electrician and we have gotten into a lively > discussion about this device and the theory behind it. I say that while > the > device will probably work as advertised, it may not provide a complete > savings to the owner as it is attached to the load center and not the > individual motor. In essence, isn't the power company getting some > benefit > of this device since it's attached to the grid via the breakers which are > being fed by the power company? > > TIA for your comments. > > Don Kupferschmidt, KD9PT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Lemmon" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 8:09 PM > Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT Power Factor > > > > Tom, > > > > Excellent questions! The first is easy: Residences and light > commercial > > occupancies have meters that measure real (true) power only. That's > > because > > only real power does work, and that's what you are paying for. The > > classic > > kWh meter with the spinning aluminum disk was perfected by Ferraris and > > Shallenberger more than a century ago, and millions are in service > today. > > The most recent improvement is a magnetically-levitated disk that nearly > > eliminates any errors due to bearing friction. A revenue-grade kWh > meter > > is > > extremely accurate, and very seldom requires service. > > > > True power is consumed only when the applied voltage and the resulting > > current are in phase. In this specific case, volts times amps equals > > watts. > > When the current is not in phase with the applied voltage, we enter the > > mysterious world of apparent power, which is expressed as volt-amperes. > > Nearly all apparent power seems to be consumed by inductive apparatus > such > > as motors and transformers, except that such currents are returned to > the > > source as the magnetic field collapses. Suffice it to say that the > > current > > actually flows in the circuit, but it does no real work. When the power > > factor (PF) is poor, a lot of current flows in the circuit that must be > > provided by the utility through larger diameter wires and bigger > > transformers. Since PF is the ratio of true power to apparent power, > the > > utilities are always looking for ways to keep the PF close to unity, so > > that > > they can put off installing thicker wires and bigger substations. As an > > incentive for heavily-motored industries to increase the PF, some > > substantial penalties are levied on those who don't correct their PF. > The > > easy way to increase the typical PF is to add parallel capacitance so > that > > the inductive reactance is compensated by capacitive reactance. The > goal > > is > > to get the PF above 0.95. > > > > Another reason for adding capacitors across the line is for voltage > > regulation. In rural areas with long distribution lines- usually at > > 12,000 > > volts- the voltage drop due to reactive currents can be significant. > The > > utility will add capacitor banks every few miles to help keep voltage > drop > > within narrow limits. This is as good a time as any to state that the > > standard nominal utilization voltage in the United States is 120/240 > > VAC on single-phase systems, and 120/208 VAC on three-phase systems. > > There > > hasn't been "110" or "220" in this nation for more than half a century, > > but > > some (usually older) folk still use those terms. > > > > The standard kWh meter does its magic by using a simple principle. The > > torque on the aluminum disk is caused by two coils (or sets of coils) > that > > create a combined magnetic field. One coil creates a magnetic field > > proportional to the applied voltage, while the other coil creates a > > magnetic > > field proportional to the line current. When both voltage and current > are > > present, the disk spins. A small permanent magnet acts as an eddy- > current > > brake, and ensures that the speed of the disk's rotation is exactly > > proportional to the product of voltage and current that are in phase- > true > > power. The disk is geared to a register that records the revolutions > over > > time, resulting in power times time- energy. > > > > The rotating-disk kWh meter is being replaced with all-electronic meters > > in > > many areas. Such meters can record reactive power usage, and also > record > > the times that peak demands occurred. Some really fancy electronic > meters > > can be remotely polled with a wireless system, so the meter reader can > > drive > > by the house or business and get the data on the fly. Carrier-current > > data > > transfer systems are now in use that allow the utility to read meters > from > > a > > central office that is miles away. Not only does the utility not have > to > > set meter readers out into rural areas, but any power outage is > > immediately > > revealed due to the loss of data. > > > > Back to your original question about your customer's motors. If he is > not > > being penalized by the utility for excessive reactive power demand > (i.e., > > low PF) then he will save nothing. However, the judicious application > of > > capacitors may improve the voltage regulation within his building. Some > > mountaintop repeater sites have a power feed that is many miles long, > and > > voltage drop caused by air conditioning and power supplies can be > > significant. Some older Motorola and GE station supplies are not very > > efficient and have low PF when lightly loaded. The typical site > > owner/manager is usually not a power engineer, and may be ignorant of > the > > significant inefficiencies of a low-PF power system. This may exist for > > years without anyone doing anything about it, leading to recurring > station > > problems and poor power quality. The national standard for nominal > > utilization voltage is 120 VAC +/- 5%. If the receptacle voltage goes > > below > > 114 VAC or exceeds 126 VAC, something needs to be done. > > > > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thomas Oliver > > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 11:43 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] OT Power Factor > > > > Question for any electrical engineers out there. > > > > Are the meters on the side of buildings metering real power or apparent > > power? > > > > Is power factor correction worth doing if the power company is not > dinging > > the customer for low power factor? > > > > This article > > > http://powerelectronics.com/power_management/motor_power_management/705PET > 23 > > .pdf > > > <http://powerelectronics.com/power_management/motor_power_management/705PE > T2 > > 3.pdf> talks about residential power factor correction and my > conclusion > > (from this article) is the savings would never be recouped. > > > > Second conclusion is the only benefit with correction is the wires > between > > the source and load don't heat up as much. What about the wires in the > > motor > > or transformer? do they also heat less? I would think so. > > > > Third conclusion is by correcting power factor you are helping the > utility > > company more than yourself because these phase differences "standing > > waves" > > exist all the way back to the power generation source therefore the > > utility > > lines have more loss due to their greater length than the customers > > building > > wiring has. > > > > The reason I am researching this is a customer of mine has roughly 50 hp > > of > > total motors in his shop and wanted to know if he could save 30% on his > > electric bill like some salesman of power factor correction black boxes > > told > > him he could. > > > > I realize I am going to have to look at his energy bill to see if there > is > > a > > charge for low power factor and maybe call the utility company to see if > > he > > will get a lower rate if he adds PFC devices > > > > > > tom > > > > > > > > (\__/) ... > > (='.'=) > > (")_(") > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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