Hi Cort,
Being a past chairman of a coordinating council, we had many applications for close repeater systems. All and every application that was applied for was denied coordination unless they changed their closed status to an open status. I guess if a coordinator is allowing repeaters to get coordinated with a closed status, it really does not benefit the ham community. Having had and owned a linked repeater system with over 28 personal repeaters within a system that has over 75 linked repeaters through 4 states. If we closed the system to a members closed system. Nobody would ever use the system and more than ½ of the repeaters would get kicked off the hill tops. When we have clubs ask for repeater space on the tower, the first thing I ask is what do they plan to accomplish with their system and second is the system for all to use. I have had several say their system is closed for club members only. Those groups would never get free space on the towers. The guys that want to benefit all amateurs and their systems are open to all licensed amateurs, I would always go out of my way to help them out and most of the time I would even give them FREE space. Hell, I would even combine them in on the broadband antennas and multi couplers as long as their equipment was engineered good and clean. Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ 6886 Sage Ave Firestone, Co 80504 303-954-9695 Home 303-954-9693 Home Office & Fax 303-718-8052 Cellular From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Cort Buffington Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 9:17 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Closed Repeaters When you turn on your 2M radio and tune it to 146.520 and transmit it is now using public spectrum, move over, hand me you mic, I now have the RIGHT to use your radio. I think there is a premise problem here. I have never assumed that because I place a repeater on the air, on a frequency pair, that I have any expectation of exclusive right to those frequencies. Also consider how much of our debate is actually part 97 and how much we are debating long held best practice and "gentleman's agreement". I don't think operating simplex on a repeater output is malicious interference if it's not walking over the repeater transmitter. I think if you want closed repeater access that you should use PL, or better, DPL, or best, DTMF access (turn it on when you use it). I think the number of times someone would operate simplex on a repeater input as a necessity of band congestion and just happen to use the same PL/DPL as the repeater is astronomical... unless the person were just trying to cause trouble... oh wait, that would then be malicious interference. I have the view I do on this because I do not hold the premise that because I have a coordinated repeater that I have the right to the spectrum. And actually none of us have the RIGHT to use the spectrum. We are granted the PRIVILEGE of using it by the government by obtaining the proper class amateur radio license. Getting along, being considerate, willing to compromise, and making and following our own rules is a big part of why the government has been as good as it has to Amateur radio. For example, there are no bandplans in part 97... those are things we agreed to on our own. Maybe if there's such a shortage of repeater frequencies and a huge pent up demand for them we should consider changing our bandplans? I know there are some areas of the country that have problems using 440 (I'm really sorry guys, I wish you didn't have those restrictions). the amateur 440 band is 30MHz wide. A repeater takes 2 x 5kHz channels. Jesus people, what are we fighting about? On Jul 26, 2009, at 8:14 AM, Dennis Zabawa wrote: The point has been made that a closed repeater (actually any repeater) is private property and others have no right to utilize it. I would agree to that premise except for the fact that the repeater utilizes PUBLIC spectrum. The analogy would be: I have a large tent that I like to set up on my property. If I take that same tent and permanently set it up in a public park and, I keep others from entering my tent, I am using PUBLIC property for my own, exclusive use. Would that set well with most of you? I have a closed repeater that has PUBLIC spectrum coordinated for it. That has the effect of allocating that PUBLIC asset for my exclusive use. Why should a repeater be different than the tent? -- Cort Buffington H: +1-785-838-3034 M: +1-785-865-7206 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.30/2263 - Release Date: 07/26/09 11:07:00
