D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > It finally dawned on me that you aren't complaining about the "moderators" > failing to pass your posts from a non-subscriber through, but rather you > think our lists are actually moderated in the sense that every post must be > approved.
No, I realize that subscribers are not moderated. However, I posted something before I was subscribed (~4 days ago, maybe more) that generated a 'waiting moderation' message. It still hasn't shown up. > I looked at the KDE lists, and while I didn't try posting to any of them, > they > all have subscribe links, and they look like pretty normal lists to me, where > you have to be subscribed in order to post to them. Is that not the case? I know that the kwin list only recently started moderating, and I believe some of the major lists are also non-moderated. Of course, the moderating process a: is much faster and b: AFAIK *works* when posting through gmane. Non-subscriber posts via gmane to here apparently go to /dev/null (in that I've never seen them, nor received a moderation notice from one). Apparently gmane works okay for subscribers. > Our lists aren't moderated. We just reject posts from non-subscribers. The > poster gets a "you must be subscribed" message, and we have the opportunity > to pass that message through in spite of it being from a non-subscribed > address. Most of the time the poster has already subscribed and reposted the > message by the time we get those, but there are exceptional cases once in a > blue moon where a real message is sitting there in the reject bin, and we > pass it through. If a poster does this more than twice, we start making > noises about getting them to subscribe please. Well, somewhere in that bin are (unless SF ate them) one or more message I sent... (FWIW, I don't believe in reposting in the theory that the moderators are actually moderating, and reposting either results in duplicate messages or else the moderator needing to check for duplicates.) > I think these spasms we're experiencing right now are due to SourceForge > doing > a huge data center migration. Their service has been more prone to random > breakages than usual, though random breakages are nothing new with > SourceForge. Given that things seem to be working /now/, maybe that's all it is... but if so, the timing couldn't possibly have been worse for me. I still have to wonder if there aren't better list providers, though. Again, that's your call, it just seems that this is the only list where I've come across such problems. > People regularly ask us when we're going to offer a GTK2 port. > > As if. > > These people are all clueless morons, of course. :-D (again ;-) ) > Oh, screw QMake. We're not using QMake. You aren't? I read somewhere that qmake worked and cmake was spotty. Perhaps I got the wrong impression from that. (I admit, I haven't exactly tried to read the entire last month or so of archive.) > Frankly, I'm pretty disgusted with all of it across the board. I don't > really > like KDE4 so far, and it seems like a lot of effort and hullabaloo to wreck > the best graphical desktop in the world. Huh. I've heard enough "horror stories" to know that this seems to be common, but I've been running nothing but trunk since approximately 4.0. It was rocky at first, but the only thing I've missed about 3.5 in months is KDevelop's ctag support (and that, really only because the duchain stuff still can't cope with my main Work project). >> It's also discouraging that I can't recall any mention of rosegarden on, >> say, kde-devel. I think the KDE crowd would have been happy to help with >> the porting effort > > I rather doubt it. Most of KDE is of broad interest to a lot of people, > whereas we're highly specialized, complicated, and downright bitchy to work > on. Do you follow kde-devel at all? There's plenty of general-advice questions flying around there (which is, after all, the point of the list). Things like adapting to the new KAction, I'd be very surprised if people didn't help you understand how to port that, if you'd just asked. Frankly, I'm hurt (and perhaps just a touch offended) that you don't think we'd help. True, most KDE developers wouldn't be interested in porting /for/ you, but answering questions...? > We've never had any help from people who didn't have a personal > interest, and if anyone at KDE had such an interest, we probably would have > crossed paths. If you'd said something in the KDE community a few months ago, you almost certainly *would* have crossed paths with /me/. The KLed thing, for example, I *really* wish you'd asked somewhere in the KDE community; I could have helped (especially since I'm more-or-less responsible for kdefx's removal ;-) ). >> Anyway, it's your decision > > Not really mine, but majority rules and all that. I could fork it too, but > it > isn't worth it. By "you" I meant the people in the RG project, not "D. Michael McIntyre" :-). Ok, here's my ultimatum: I'll jump in and help porting *if* in the long run it's OK to keep KDE as a dependency :-). I'm not asking to throw out any porting that's been done; getting it to run adequately is highest priority of course, but long-term I may want to pull in KDE bits (the new color stuff in KDE4, for instance, is very cool). How do the other devs feel about that? Incidentally, I still somewhat disagree with the complaints regarding KDE; I'll grant that the porting target might be worse (Qt+KDE vs. Qt only), but complaining about the support when no one /asked for help/ (not so far as I could see searching KDE's mailing list archives anyway) doesn't seem fair. (For that matter, has anyone considered moving to KDE's extragear? If RG isn't satisfied with the support from the KDE side, well, that would certainly be something likely to significantly improve that situation. Not to mention significantly raise RG's profile within the KDE community. You might even want to see what KOffice is doing with music notation these days...) -- Matthew ENOWIT: .sig file for this machine not set up yet ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ _______________________________________________ Rosegarden-devel mailing list [email protected] - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-devel
