On February 8, 2021 6:35:09 PM HST, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: > On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 17:19:58 -1000 > david <gn...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote: > > > On 2/8/21 1:00 PM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: > > > On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 14:05:04 +0100 > > > Tom Peters <tpet...@telfort.nl> wrote: > > > > > >> Chuck, Michael, Lorenzo: > > >> thank you very much for your input. > > >> Michael, Lorenzo, I share your sentiment. I think it is fair now > in the > > >> 22nd year of the 21st century to expect from a computer > application: > > >> 1) that the package management system like apt is configured that > an > > >> application will get all its dependencies so that it will > actually work; > > >> 2) that an application is configured with sensible defaults so > that it > > >> actually works out of the box. > > > agreed > > > > > > I sympathize with the devs who want to > > > just improve the product that is but its > > > extremely frustrating to have to hunt for > > > basics. Let's not forget that a user may > > > well be a novice to both musicware AND Linux. > > > Again, I wanna stress that I'm trying to > > > throw pebbles but leaving earth orbit should > > > kinda come before nuclear sails or mars > > > landings. Is it THAT difficult to hardwire > > > SOME minimal sound ability if only to show > > > that the right software is being tried? > > > Other apps can do it, at least at some > > > rudimentary level at first. > > > > So far, PulseAudio seems to have basic sound sorted out upon > > installation - if you only have one audio device and want to use it > for > > everything. > > > > Package management systems depend on humans to specify what to > include > > in or require for a package. The package maintainers decide how > heavy or > > light they want their package to be. Say your package wants MIDI > output. > > Does it require a particular MIDI output application like Timidity, > > Fluidsynth, Qsynth, etc? Do you make that application a requirement > for > > someone that already has another MIDI output set up on their system? > Do > > you make it optional so someone that installs just the application > has > > no MIDI output after installation and has to install/configure yet > > another application? > > > > Also, what's a "sensible default" vs something that someone else > might > > consider a headache or bloatware? On all my systems, PulseAudio my > > systems defaulted to one form or another of on-board audio - either > the > > built-in hardware connected to laptop speakers/headphone jack, or > HDMI. > > The PA default was useless on one system, a headache to deal with on > my > > main laptop, and suitable only on the netbook. None of my HDMI > monitors > > include speakers, so no sound output. > > > > Doing pro audio/MIDI is not in the same league as just playing MP3s > or > > Youtube videos. I read about some of the MIDI setups people on the > list > > have - multiple hardware synths, external keyboards, multichannel > sound > > cards, softsynths running on multiple machines, etc. Seems to me > like > > there's *no* "sensible default" that would apply to every situation. > > > > I remember discussion years back in the RG world: should RG require > > Lilypond for printing scores. > > > > I have a friend, singer/songwriter, that's exclusively used Windows > > audio systems setup by professional techs. It seems to me that not > even > > Windows has it sorted out if you need a professional to set up your > > Windows audio system! > > > Ok, I guess I wrote something that asks for it, > should have written > > "I wanna stress that I'm _NOT_ trying to throw pebbles" :) > > If it were MY watch I'd make it make a sound, > however unsophisticated, until the user can > sort things out.
I understand, I wasn't referring to any 'pebble throwing' about anything. Sorry if my response sounded like that. My intent was that "making a sound" isn't always very simple. The flexibility makes things difficult for "default" assumptions. Perhaps an initial setup "wizard" that lists available audio outputs, inputs, MIDI ports, asks user for what to use by default, offers a button to test, lets user change/test until working? --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. _______________________________________________ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
