@Gintautas I agree with you that all the details of a job posting should be there from the beginning. But, please, exactly as you say that "this mailing list is not a place to defend claims about Greece being a step from bankrupt" you need to know that *this mailing list is not for you to tell anybody that Greece is a step from bankrupt in the first place. NO IT IS NOT A FACT* that has to do anything with this list. * * Is that clear?
I believe that we need to start talking seriously here. Ask for job postings to be fully detailed - and I am all with you, but stop telling whether Greece is a step before or after anything. It is the person who will read the post that will make his own research/search about it. Panayotis On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Gintautas Šimkus <dihita...@gmail.com>wrote: > Well if a country requests billions in euros of help, it indicates that > they are not 'well' nation wide. I meant that the country of work is > important and should be mentioned in a job proposal. That's it. > > Yeah I must've missed the joke on this one. It looked like a Greek tried > to defend the proposition that working next to a sea is more important than > the longer term guarantees for an applicant. > > If you take the fact that Greece is a step from bankrupt, then this > mailing list is not a place to defend such claim. Just let people know and > they'll decide by themselves. > > > 2012/9/15 Gintautas Šimkus <dihita...@gmail.com> > >> No problem. I deduce you are Greek. And that you tried to advocate >> working in Greece is similar to working in DE or US, which is not that case >> at this point. >> >> I mean people should decide by themselves where to work. And working in >> Greece (or any other country) is OK with me. I was just pointing out that >> the same job proposal could be crap under certain circumstances.ou >> >> I am simply for telling people where they'd be working fof >> >> >> 2012/9/15 Panayotis Matsinopoulos <panayo...@matsinopoulos.gr> >> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Gintautas Šimkus >>> <dihita...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Not sure if you aware of it or not but Greece has a high chance of >>>> going bankrupt. So that maybe where the concerns come from. Blue sea is >>>> nice when you can live in the country w/o a good chance for your company to >>>> be nationalized, drop in value, or start paying you in some bogus currency >>>> which they've been printing 24/7 for 3 months (= little real value). >>>> >>> >>> @Gintautas ....Ah ok. Thanks for telling me that. You may also need to >>> find ways to improve your sense of humor. >>> >>> BR >>> Panayotis >>> P.S. I am working for a Greek company that has 200% sales growth every >>> year the last 3 years. We are 80 people, only, and we now have 130M Euro in >>> sales by end of August, only for 2012. Hope we reach 200M Euro by end of >>> year. Believe me, that we have good ways to circumvent any bankruptcy. >>> Also, believe me, that rumors is something that we do not base our business >>> on. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> 2012/9/14 Panayotis Matsinopoulos <panayo...@matsinopoulos.gr> >>>> >>>>> Peter ... you are absolutely right. >>>>> >>>>> BTW1, Greece is very-very-very cheap and has fantastic weather and >>>>> beautiful sea and beaches. >>>>> :-) >>>>> >>>>> BTW2. I am certain that this job cannot come from a Greek company. >>>>> Greek companies rarely use Ruby on Rails. Most of them use java >>>>> technologies and .NET >>>>> >>>>> Panayotis >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Peter Hickman < >>>>> peterhickman...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> And this is why people complain about job ad on this list! >>>>>> >>>>>> No location (I will not relocate to Greece for this job) >>>>>> No salary (Without the location I have no idea as to the cost of >>>>>> living and cannot judge the value of the package) >>>>>> No company details (I have no interest in working for another "me too" >>>>>> groupon clone) >>>>>> >>>>>> Without these details people who are unsuitable for the post will >>>>>> apply and waste your time and people who are suitable will ignore it >>>>>> because it is clearly a fishing expedition - you do not really have a >>>>>> post available you just want a bunch of CVs to pester people with. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. 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