Hi dave;

Well, except that there were 40 ft cars with 7 and 8 ft single doors and 12, 14 
or 15' double doors as well.

While I have not looked hard enough yet, the PRS 50ft car seems to have a 
somewhat unusual rivet/panel pattern on the sides. It would also be nice to 
have a 50ft double door car with the rectangular panel roof, like the ATSF 
Fe-24.

Pieter E. Roos


--- On Mon, 8/15/11, danvandermause <[email protected]> wrote:

> Bob:
> You are right about the difficulties of loading automobiles
> into boxcars -- no wonder the railroads lost most of the
> finished automobile market until the advent of multilevel
> flats!
> 
> One factor that drove the conversion from 40 foot to 50
> foot boxcars, that you do not hear a lot about in the model
> press, was the increasing use of mechanized loading (fork
> lifts)during the 1950's.  The typical 6-foot door on a
> 40-foot boxcar was a good door size during the days when
> labor was cheap and a car could be loaded one box at a time
> (or one stick of lumber at a time).  The 6-foot door
> was also easy to close off with a grain door, for grain
> loading.
> 
> Generally, you need at least an 8-foot door width to
> effectively utilize a fork lift, and if you are loading
> lumber, a 16-foot double door is better.
> 
> So, even if a customer did not necessarily need the extra
> cubic capacity of a 50-foot car versus a 40-foot car, the
> door width of the newer 50-foot car was often the
> determining factor.
> 
> Dan Vandermause
> 
> 
> 
> --- In [email protected],
> Bob Werre <bob@...> wrote:
> >
> > Dan, you are absolutely correct about when 50 cars
> started their 
> > invasion.  But don't forget about earlier 50 ft
> cars assigned to 
> > furniture service and also many DD cars were used to
> haul finished cars 
> > with internal racks.  Those must have been a real
> pain to load and 
> > unload!  I think there is a Union Pacific book
> showing little Crosley's 
> > loaded in a boxcar--two aside.  Despite Crosley's
> being very narrow, I 
> > don't know how the last driver got out of the car
> door.



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