On 2024-04-15 04:20:59, kcrisman wrote: > > The real question is about *users* in this case, not developers.
The solution for users is pretty simple. You should be able to install a sage that works and will remain working with one command using homebrew, conda, guix, etc. The reason you can't is because Sage is, and has always been, hostile to it. We (not just Sage, but you and I!) have been discussing this for almost 15 years. Based on that number you would think that packaging involves some deep question in software architecture, but it doesn't. I package hundreds of other programs. They're all easy to install and work great. Sage is the _one_ project that is a PITA. If you want to use GAP or Octave, no problem. No way to prevent this, says only country where this regularly happens. SageMath has several other long-term contributors who also package software. We're all roughly on the same page about what it would take to fix the sage installation for end users. Eventually it might make sense to listen to the people who have succeeded at the task before. > We need something approximating this sort of summit now to resolve these > issues - and I certainly do think there is an acceptable solution out there. The solution to this social problem is once again quite simple. The people who want to work on the sage distribution should be allowed to work on the sage distribution, and the people who don't should be allowed not to. But so far, every attempt to disentangle the library/distribution to enable this division of labor has been met with resistance by essentially one person. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/Zh0XiN1zHQrhfGZN%40stitch.
