On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 1:44 AM, Dima Pasechnik <dimp...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 2014-09-02, William A Stein <wst...@uw.edu> wrote: >> Hi Sage-devs, >> >> Is there anybody out there whose interested in (greatly) increasing >> the number of optional gap packages in the optional GAP spkg for Sage? > > Probably it would be better to split the optional GAP spkg into parts, > otherwise > it will be huge... > (the current gap_packages*.bz2 is already 27Mb)
Sure, that would be fine. E.g., we could have gap_packages-recommended and gap_packages-more or something, i.e., name them in a way that divides them into two. Of course, for SMC I'll just install both. > There are also things like missing license info for a number of packages. > AFAIK GAP devs were not able to fix this. > I'm not sure whether it's OK to impose on such packages the GAP's > own license - probably not, as GAP is under GPL, and GPL needs > contributor's consent. Yes, the licensing is a big problem, which is why this will only ever be optional, and not something we distribute with Sage. Of course, I don't want any packages that have licenses that mean I can't install them in SMC... > There also also few packges which provide interfaces to other systems, > like Singular, and they might be tricky to get right > within Sage. > > If there are no other volunteers, I can look into this, but I can't > promise a fast completion, as papers+grants have priority in my > (publish&&grants)||perish case. Maybe you could provide some scratch directions, without doing everything...? > > Dima >> >> This thread has a lot of info about this. In particular, this would >> be very beneficial to SageMathCloud... >> >> -- William >> >> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Alexander Konovalov >><alexander.konova...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Monday, September 1, 2014 10:30:30 AM UTC+1, Stein William wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm cc'ing this to sage-devel. It is about GAPs long, long list of >>>> packages, most of which we don't include or even package optionally >>>> for Sage... >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 3:18 AM, Alexander Konovalov >>>> <alexander...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > On Friday, August 29, 2014 8:06:33 AM UTC+1, Stein William wrote: >>>> >> > There are a large number of packages here. >>>> >> >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> > http://www.gap-system.org/Packages/packages.html >>>> >> >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> > Which ones should I install? All of them? Some of them? >>>> >> >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> > Can you ask at the meeting? >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Do you know if I could install *all* of them, or do some change >>>> >> >>>> >> behavior of Gap and interfere with others? Or, like with Python, >>>> >> >>>> >> possibly increase startup time. >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > Installing all packages will not increase GAP startup time, since they >>>> > are not loaded (it's not a good idea to load all packages >>>> > simultaneously). >>>> > It will only increase the disk space used by GAP. OTOH, the user will be >>>> > able to use GAP help system to search across manuals of ALL packages >>>> > installed on the system. >>>> > >>>> > Then, since the same packages will be loaded after default GAP startup, >>>> > the user will have the same experience in both cases. >>>> > >>>> > Furthermore, testing the GAP distribution, we ensure that this >>>> > particular set of packages is fitting together, so I'd not guarantee that >>>> > tearing it apart will not cause any side effects. >>>> > >>>> >>>> Can I use BOB to install all the "accepted GAP packages" into an >>>> existing GAP install? It seems to me that BOB both builds GAP and >>>> installs all packages into that GAP. I don't want that -- I instead >>>> want to use the GAP I built as part of Sage. >>>> >>>> Also, in general, my understanding is that installing a GAP package is >>>> explained here >>>> >>>> http://www.gap-system.org/Manuals/doc/ref/chap76.html#X7B6CD527825945CD >>>> >>>> and basically that says to download the package, extract it, and >>>> read/guess/etc. what to do next. In particular, what to do can be >>>> anything from nothing, to really complicated, and there's no single >>>> script to just run. I was expecting that I could just make a list of >>>> packages and type something like >>>> >>>> gap -i names of packages ... >>>> >>>> and it would install all of them, like every other package system I've >>>> ever used does (e.g., R, Pypi, Sage's, npm, and many others). If >>>> BOB can basically do exactly this, then that's very, very cool and a >>>> great contribution to GAP. If you could quickly summarize the >>>> situation about what BOB can actually do with an existing GAP install, >>>> it would be greatly appreciated. (I haven't just tried diving into >>>> BOB due to lack of time.) >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> -- William >>> >>> >>> Thank you for questions. At the moment, BOB performs a new install, so it's >>> not suitable to update an existing GAP installation. That is a suggestion >>> for the future perhaps, for BOB or for any other package manager for GAP >>> that may appear. I was recommending BOB in response to Samuel saying "... >>> alternatively, would it be possible to have a separate full GAP install?". >>> If you prefer just to add some more packages to the GAP version that is >>> built as part of Sage, and do not want all of them for some reasons, then it >>> would be great at least to ensure that all packages listed under the >>> 'PackagesToLoad' user preference in lib/package.gi are included: >>> >>> default:= [ "autpgrp", "alnuth", "crisp", "ctbllib", "factint", "fga", >>> "irredsol", "laguna", "polenta", "polycyclic", "resclasses", >>> "sophus", "tomlib" ], >>> >>> >>> But the actual list will be larger, since these default packages have some >>> dependencies, as can be seen from the GAP startup information: >>> >>> ┌───────┐ GAP, Version 4.7.5 of 24-May-2014 (free software, GPL) >>> │ GAP │ http://www.gap-system.org >>> └───────┘ Architecture: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc-default64 >>> Libs used: gmp, readline >>> Loading the library and packages ... >>> Components: trans 1.0, prim 2.1, small* 1.0, id* 1.0 >>> Packages: AClib 1.2, Alnuth 3.0.0, AtlasRep 1.5.0, AutPGrp 1.6, >>> Browse 1.8.5, Carat 2.1.4, CRISP 1.3.8, Cryst 4.1.12, >>> CrystCat 1.1.6, CTblLib 1.2.2, FactInt 1.5.3, FGA 1.2.0, >>> GAPDoc 1.5.1, IO 4.3.1, IRREDSOL 1.2.4, LAGUNA 3.6.4, >>> Polenta 1.3.2, Polycyclic 2.11, RadiRoot 2.7, ResClasses 3.3.2, >>> Sophus 1.23, SpinSym 1.5, TomLib 1.2.4 >>> Try '?help' for help. See also '?copyright' and '?authors' >>> gap> >>> >>> >>> Ideally, starting GAP from Sage, one should be able to see the same. >>> >>> Best regards >>> >>> Alexander >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "sage-devel" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. >>> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> >> -- >> William Stein >> Professor of Mathematics >> University of Washington >> http://wstein.org >> wst...@uw.edu >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-cloud" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-cloud+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-cloud/slrnm0dl71.2tr.dimpase%40nash.cs.ox.ac.uk. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- William Stein Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org wst...@uw.edu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. 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