> > > Rather than being put forward as a fait accompli (or even a fiat > accompli:) Volker's initial post asked everyone to (discuss and) vote on > whether we should adopt the code. That is, from the onset people were asked > for their opinion. If you reread the thread, when the discussion started > becoming heated William tried to close it. When that failed, he asked > everyone to vote on it. This looks quite democratic to me. This said, since > the vote was so close, and seemingly so contentious, I'm not sure we should > adopt it. Personally I would prefer to see it, or some variation of it, > adopted as guidelines -- having to "enforce" a code is contrary to the > underlying principle of being polite. >
I would be in favour of this: having "guidelines" and not an enforced code. The sage-abuse could still be there, as I see it, it could be a place to say "Hey, I didn't feel this conversation was aright and I was affected by such or such behaviour", a way to ask support from the community, also to point out when there is some really big abuse we think something should be done (I hope this never happens). Not the same as sage-flame which is to discuss subject that we know could be heated and we raise a "warning" flag for other participants. > > The motivation for suggesting the code was that quite a few people were > unhappy with repeated negative comments that appeared in a long series of > posts. I had tried talking off-list with the person making these to try and > explain to them why their comments were not helpful. Later I learned that > several other people had, independently, talked to this person as well. > (Incidentally, the poster is a valued developer, which makes them much > harder to ignore than some one like rjf.) Speaking for myself, if one > person tells me I'm being rude I'll probably take notice, but perhaps I'd > shrug them off. If four people tell me I'm being rude then change my > behaviour. Unfortunately, nothing changed. > > A number of people have stopped contributing to sage because of such > interactions, and there is a danger that others will stop. I don't want > that. As nothing else had worked I thought that it was worth proposing some > guidelines in the hope that this might help. I'm still a little baffled as > to why the suggestion that we try to being nice to each other is causing > such a commotion. > > Andrew > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
