> From Andrew: > > Hi Nathan, > > > > I participated in the initial drafting of the code. Our draft closely > > follows, and was stolen from, similar codes of conduct from other > projects. > > The main question of Nathann, which is really fundamental is: "why was > it redacted by a small group of people and immediately proposed as a > vote (and not as an open discussion)?". This is really what happend: > the first message of the thread is the proposal of the code of honnor > (by Volker) and the second is the proposal to vote about it (by > William). >
You're not being completely fair on this. There was a lot of discussions going on on the first thread before the vote was proposed. Most of the discussion was about having a code of conduct or not having one, but people could also have suggested changes in the text itself. I don't know why people wrote the text before, probably it didn't strike them as being a problem as they mostly adapted other texts from similar groups. Anyway, I don't see anything weird here. Sometimes, we do the same with code: someone just does the job and propose an implementation and then ask the community what they think. It does not mean the text cannot be changed, > > You are right that there was a communication problem. But this was not > presented in this way! > > > Ultimately all that it asks is that people be polite and respectful > > towards others. I don't think that this very onerous. > > This has been discussed and I do not agree. The code of honor is not > at all welcoming. I would have started any official text by "Anybody > is welcome to contribute" or something like that. It looks much more: > like if you do not agree with somebody then do not say it too loudly. > Once again, the text can be changed, you can make such a proposition... Also it is not a question of not being loudly, but of being respectful when disagreeing, which was not always the case in sage-devel. > +1 > Let me say again on the list that I am in favor of having a text that > define what is the sage community. And this has to be agreed by > everyone and modified until a common consensus. A wiki page is open: > http://wiki.sagemath.org/SageCommunityProposal > That seems like interesting project but it's quite a different one and a much bigger one. In my opinion, the actual "Code of conduct" has no ambition to define the Sage community, I really understand it as some basic guidelines to behave towards each other... > > > The motivation for suggesting the code was that quite a few people were > > unhappy with repeated negative comments that appeared in a long series of > > posts. I had tried talking off-list with the person making these to try > and > > I really think that this should have been said before. This is really > important to mention that some people were hurt. Anne Schilling > mentioned some of it but it was never really discussed. It seems that > it is the "hidden" subject of that proposal. And it is shameful that > it ends with the creation of a police. > Once again, I don't see where there is a police. No one has been given any power over anyone else, there is no sanction mentioned, or anything like this. > > guidelines in the hope that this might help. I'm still a little baffled > as > > to why the suggestion that we try to being nice to each other is causing > > such a commotion. > > You can not state "be nice" as an order. The only thing which makes > sense is to say "welcome". > I disagree with that. You can say "welcome" and "be nice" (or something more specific like "be respectful"), I don't see why not. > > Vincent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
