William, Le mercredi 30 novembre 2022 à 18:00:22 UTC+1, wst...@gmail.com a écrit :
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 1:26 AM Dima Pasechnik <dim...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 7:59 PM William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 11:25 AM kcrisman <kcri...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Though see this: > https://www.wolfram.com/engine/faq/#can-i-use-the-free-engine-in-an-open-source-project > > > > > > > That says " However, the Free Engine license does not permit end-user > > > use, except when this use is for further development. For end-user > > > uses, users must have a separate license for the Wolfram Engine." > > > which seems to me to make it crystal clear that it would not be legal > > > to install cocalc-docker (or even Jupyter notebook) and along with > > > Wolfram Engine and use it for any purpose except for development of > > > cocalc or Jupyter itself (i.e., to make sure the UI works). > > > Everything in that FAQ is about "developing a product". > > > > I'm not a lawyer, but in Wolfram's mindset a scientific paper is a > > product, too, no ? > > (Especially assuming it has enough self-promotion hype in it - not > > sure, if this is a joke :-)) > > > > Would putting Wolfram Engine on cocalc with a warning saying "read > > their terms of use" be > > too dangerous, risking more than just being slapped with a "cease and > > desist" letter? > > Dima, > > I suspect something fairly close to what you suggest would be legal. > Namely, > you can create your own CoCalc project, then you download Wolfram > Engine (or any other software) to your computer, then upload it into > CoCalc. > Then use it. Our terms of service don't prevent you from uploading your > own binaries and using them. It's not different to you creating > a VM on DigitalOcean or something, and installing Wolfram Engine or any > other > software there. People have in the past done exactly the above with > Magma, Maple and the > actual full Mathematica. Do you think that the same loophole would be applicable to Sagecelll (different structure...) wrt to international law, wrt american law, and with wrt to european law ? > -- William > > > > > Dima > > > > > This is a > > > license aimed at increasing the number of reasons people will buy > > > Mathematica, by being nice to developers who are building products > > > that use Mathematica. > > > > > > The discussions like this > > > > > > > https://mathematica.stackexchange.com/questions/274333/wolfram-engine-jupyter-stackrel-mathematica > > > > > > > (and the corresponding reddit thread) seem to me to be wildly > > > optimistic in their interpretation. > > > > > > Anyway, I'm not a lawyer, though I applaud Wolfram, Inc. for posting > > > that very clearly worded plain language FAQ instead of just some > > > massive wall of legalese. > > > > > > William > > > > > > > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 2:24:15 PM UTC-5 kcrisman wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> The same could also apply to Cocalc ... except that Cocalc is also > a commercial product, therefore excluded from Wolfram terms for the > *gratis* Wolfram engine... > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Technically if someone ran a Cocalc instance (say, from a Docker > image) that was not commercial, maybe that would be okay? (IANAL as usual.) > > > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "sage-support" group. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to sage-support...@googlegroups.com. > > > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-support/58eebc97-408e-4511-bbc8-c1a61d19249en%40googlegroups.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > William (http://wstein.org) > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "sage-support" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to sage-support...@googlegroups.com. > > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-support/CACLE5GBGVdaisv4SN0g2ZPZXw%3DksWWv1ZXhX8JhaCq3F02xo7w%40mail.gmail.com. > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "sage-support" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to sage-support...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-support/CAAWYfq02EOCja16ceAxgMxx-EycXGybPjz9j_HMd%2B%2BKo%3DBUm0g%40mail.gmail.com. > > > > > > -- > William (http://wstein.org) > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-support" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-support/b2c2cf16-e3ce-4172-b1c5-31e349a3ec4fn%40googlegroups.com.
