Hello some users (ocassionally Sam users), I've put out of temper, as I read the mail below. Please don't read the rest, when you don't like my rude mails. Whis might be too much for you...
Although somebody may want to kick me out Sam-users, after reading this mail, I had to write it, since it is really serious. I had really enough of these stupid naive mails written by Dave. Sorry. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 12:41 PM > > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > > Subject: SAM 2000? > > > > > > OK hows about this for a thought. > > > > There are lighter and faster free kernels out there that are GPLed than > > the Linux kernel. How enthusiastic would people be if we specified a > > graphics card, a sound card, a chip, a motherboard and a network card > > from existing PC specs, chose a freeware kernel and posted a lightweight > > OS on top of it - no need for a UI straight away it could have the SAM > > look and feel using TTY type interactions and said "This is the SAM > > specifications". At first I don't understand why do you want to call thess bullshits a "Sam". Why don't you call it "Dave", or something else? It is your idea, not MGT's one. > > Reasons this would help: > > (1) It would be cheap as anything Everything became cheap, as time goes. You can buy old 286 computer and it is very cheap. If you declare "anything particular" as a standard, it will become cheap soon. But it will be out-dated very soon too!!! > > (2) We could upgrade the specs when we wanted That is the point! You can't update the specs as fast as invention runs!!! You are the only man, and can't catch the world's progress. I'm start thinking you see yourself as a God..... > > (3) Because we would pick one chip, one set of hardware cards it would > > be possible to drive the metal rather than having to use indirection ( > > AKA DirectX ). How does correspond this with point (2), where you write: "We change specs, WHEN WE WANTED."? This goes against each other, doesn't it? > > (4) It could also run Windoze/Linux in some kind of dual boot mode. Linux is okay, but to run Windows you need 100% PC AT compatible. > > (5) It could have a SAM Emulator directly overlaid onto it Look, I don't see any advantage in this? Why do you think this would be better than, say, Si Owen's great emulator for Windows? > > (6) It could have a standard case and decals to give it a brand image This would cost much more than classic PC-ATX case. I really think you thinks like a little child. Things don't go so simply in real world. Or - I'm sorry if you are - you are a real God and able to do anything unpossible. > > (7) We get free hardware upgrades on the back of the PC market ;-) Free? > > (8) It would be our OS Okay, you'll spend months or years to make it work, and then the rest of your life with keeping it together, as new hardware arrives very often. You must be really God to get this under control..... > > (9) It would probably only really need about 2Mb RAM to run most stuff Why do you want to stay on 2MB RAM, when this might become more expensive than classic PC's RAM chips (SDRAM's today)? > > e.g. > > AMD K6-II range 400-600Mhz ( really cheap to buy in bulk now or > > induvidually and still the brunt of low end chip sales ) > > Motherboard [x] > > 32-128Mb RAM ( again - cheap ) > > ATI Rage Pro [ choose one - perhaps board mounted ] > > 100Mbs PCI Ethernet [ choose one! ] > > Roadrunner Kernel > > New SAM OS with Sam 1 Emulator built on Roadrunner kernel > > DVD-ROM drive > > Some PC case e.g: http://www.pccase.com/products/AT588B.html ( or less > > nasty looking than this ) > > Some PC keyboard and mouse > > TV display card/LCD panel/Monitor ( I dont like monitors that much these > > days they belch out too much radiation ) > > Total cost after import duties from the states: 300-400UKP to build one > > from scratch. Okay, you showed us a PC with a weird op.system incl. Sam emulator. So I ask why not to let us choose the hardawre pieces we want, and op.system we want? Then we can use SimCoupe. Since SimCoupe is portable and free (source), it is available on any op.system. (At least op.systems which are used by some programmers, who can make the port.) Why should I have two computers or even two partitions on one computer to use Sam emulator, when I can have all this on my current computer and disk partition? > > If we community source our software ( rather than open source ) we can > > port existing applications to it, when we build another we can share the > > source amongst those that have joined the community. Word of caution > > though, people get used to getting things for free - look at the zealots > > on Slashdot ( http://www.slashdot.org ) who hate paying for anything. Okay, Mr.Dave "The God". This is really stupid idea. You are so naive I can't believe it!!!!!!! btw. Most of the people rather pay for quality and servis, than get everything "free". Often, the "free" is much more expensive than classic stuff. As we say in Czech: "I am not so rich, to get so cheap things." You probably know this in UK too. > > You are probably going to tell me this has been done before and why not > > Linux et al. I use Linux day in and day out and whilst I dont object to > > the experience I dont "enjoy" it. I am also aware of the Amiga direction > > and I get excited about it although it looks interesting. > > > > Obviously we wont get the SAM trademark ( unless its going for a sum of > > money that I can afford and people are really keen on doing this ). It > > would just be nice to have a UK made home computer again in the hands of > > people who can really be creative with it. It would be nice to sit in > > front of a special machine again with the SAM logo emblazoned across it > > and have people going "whats that!!" when it is outperforming the badly > > implemented 3d routines on todays games. It would be nice to have a home > > computer again actually!!! What about the FRED trademark ;-) And what about "Naive Dave aka The God" trademark? Doesn't sound it well? Maybe, to have something less rude, we can call it "Dave the dreamer". > > It would be nice to house the keyboard and case together - or at least > > linked so that you can unhook the main case and place it elsewhere ( > > this would imply some sort of infra-red connection or spooled cable ) > > but anything custom is going to be expensive or have to be fabricated. > > > > Doesnt have to be PC based, could be ARM or other Risc based. Being PC > > based means we get a familiar instruction set and it can be real cheap. > > Could boot directly into an EPROM to allow a user to tailor it to the > > individual - e.g. child access mode, games mode, productivity mode, > > professional mode and being EPROM it would be flash upgradeable. > > > > If you peeps think this is really stupid just say. > > > > Dave "probably you think Im a nutter" :-). I'm just saying: This is stupid. Better said: naive. Frankly, to all intenst and purposes, everything you wrote on Sam Users so far is quite stupid. But of course this is just my opinion. Of course these all can work. No problem. But it is out of reality. Please stop dreaming, wake up, Dave!!! Aley - youmaywanttokickmeoutbutIsaidthetruth - Keprt
