Nope , as its hard to get LD A,(HL) wrong :)
C Just curious, do you have dyslexia? Does your spelling ever get in the way when you're programming? Frans -----Original Message----- From: Chris White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 March 2002 15:20 To: 'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no' Subject: FW: In response to Andrew Oh they Care allright ( i had a nice chat with Eidos(own's Domark) after i released my stuff ) , never did with Dma/Sony over lemmings thought. I think it also help me inb the fact that i once worked for Domark after doing Sam Version :) But i won on the contract i had with SamCo/Domark/Me , Basicly the Copyrighted Code for Sam version reverted to me after five years (and beens as it was Hand crafted and not ported) , i could do as i wished. The Gfx was all mine to (Except for the Loading screen done by Neil Holmes). And beens as i was not gaining any money (Hense it can only be sold via a NON PROFIT MAKING COMPANY) , i was in the clear. Lemming could be an interesting one , as Gfx was direct from Dma (touch up/Modified by Doug Holmes) , but beens as Sony(own's psygnosis) holds the contracts (if they are still in force) , or Dma would/have become the full owners by know , but there is no intent to defraud. Or Devaluate a ageing product , infact i hope its helps peeps who want to know how to code or sifted though it and found usefull bits to help peeps on. I have (IMHO) legimently release what is mine ( contract with Fred/Dma/Psygnosis/Samco/Domark expired after five years , with all the Sam code copyright referring to me, and Gfx to the artists & Music to the Musician ), and i have left all copyrights intack (visable) , and i also acknoledge them. All i can say is , 1. If you have no right to release , post , upload then your on your own (i have been over zelious on this from time to time , and peeps have rightly ( but maybe over agressivly ) , Objected. Tip - try saying "I own thoose please remove" - instead of "Who the F**K has upload all copyright material, and then go into atack mode" 2. If you do post/upload copyright material , be prepared to answer why. 3. If you own it do what you like , but be carefull on TM & (R) as they are inforcable for 100's of years 4. Don't try my route , I have just been lucky Nearly the last point for everyone to take note is Ultimate (RARE) , they refuse anyone to release upload/down any of there old titles (some obscure intelli law) , unless its packed in the method they choose (i,e as you would dload it from thier site) , if your found to have unzipped + added or removed anything you have violate their rights and you will be knobled. But , this is the biggy , you can upload/download what you want , till u get caught. Then your into a whole new world , this one saw's in this order 1. Benifit of the doubt , ask them to remove. Also ask how much it's cost you (In Sam's case this is 0.00 + Vat) 2. Failure on above by poster/holder, so seek legal if have Copyright/Tm/R, Else go sulk 3. Failure on above by poster/holder, old bill court , no computers etc etc etc So you all be carefull out there :) C Ps I still am unable to spell correctly, and can be totally not arshed to use M$ spell/gramma checker :) -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fred Bloggs Sent: 08 March 2002 22:10 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: In response to Andrew >On Friday 08 Mar 2002 6:36 pm, Andrew Collier wrote: > > Did you read my last post in response to sarcasm?!! It most > > definitely >was > > NOT directed at the copyright holders of old games. > >Then who else *was* it directed at? IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE IRONY OF SUCH A SITUATION, I'M NOT GOING TO EXPLAIN WHAT WAS ESSENTIALLY A LIGHT HEARTED SARCASTIC COMMENT. >"I know - once we've cracked how to get it up and running why don't we >sell it Persona for charity purposes...." > > > >Just because you can download games for other systems, doesn't make > > >it legal. You mentioned JetPac, and Ultimate are one of the > > >companies who most viciously protect their old Spectrum games: you > > >didn't find >JetPac > > > at World Of Spectrum. > > > > Correct! I never said I did!!! > >So why should the Sam's copyright-holders let you download their >software, based on the unauthorized and illegal availability of that >particular title? SO WHY DOES CHRIS WHITE DO THIS WITH PRINCE OF PERSIA THEN? > > >I think the point is that people on this list only want to point > > >out download sites which respect the wishes of the copyright owner. > > >If that wish is that some money goes to charity every time somebody > > >gets a >game, > > >then it's their right to say so and you should respect it too. > > > > I would if I knew what games they were referring to! > >ANYTHING which isn't specifically made free, is copyrighted to >somebody. Frankly I'm quite surprised by the number of people who don't >seem to immediately realise this. WE DO REALISE THIS ANDREW, CHECK OUT THE 5,438 GAMES FOR DOWNLOAD AT WORLD OF SPECTRUM AND YOU'LL REALISE THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS DON'T CARE BECAUSE THE COMPUTER IS DEAD AND THE SOFTWARE IS NOT FOR SALE! AS DOES CHRIS WHITE! > > >Persona negotiated with some programmers to get rights to > > >distribute a number of their titles, when the original publisher(s) > > >went into liquidation. I don't see that the situation should be any > > >different between these titles and the ones developed for Persona > > >specifically. > > > > You don't? Well that's your opinion, which I will respect. Amstrad >bought > > the rights to the Sinclair ROM - what would you say if they charged > > you >for > > using that, however indirectly? > >I would either pay up, or I would not use it. Probably the latter, but >I wouldn't go around mailing lists complaining about how stupid they >were for excercising their legal rights. SO ON NOTE THINK ON HOW NICE IT IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY UP! > > What would you say if Simon Owen charged you for using SIM Coupe? > >I'd say "That's a breach of the GPL, Sir". Fortunately he doesn't. > WELL DO YOU EVER WONDER WHY HE DOESN'T?!! OR WHY CHRIS PILE DOESN'T CHARGE FOR DEFENDER? IT'S CALLED GOODWILL, AND LONG MAY IT CONTINUE, OTHERWISE THERE WON'T BE ANY SCENE LEFT IF SUCH AN ATTITUDE PREVAILED. > >-- > --- Andrew Collier ---- > ---- http://mnemotech.ucam.org/ --- > -- >r<2+ T<4* cSEL dMS hEn/CB<BL A4 S+*<++ C$++L/mP W- a-- Vh+seT+ (Cantab) >1.1.4 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
