Oh, you are preaching to the choir! My son, who is a sophomore at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, researched affirmative action for a Speech class speech he had to give. The government supplied statistics confirmed that a white EX CONVICT had a better chance of getting hired than a better qualified black male high school graduate with no priors.
There are many a day when I believe the millions of young black men who opt out and refuse to play this "zero sum game" may have it right. Then I tighten the bootstraps I am lucky enough to have and send another check to keep my son enrolled at a public college where he will receive the diploma he will need to do the job I achieved without one. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "tdemorsella" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think you missed part of my overly long post :) I said, " While a > Black male who has climbed the corporate ladder playing the game is > more likely to fit in the board room than a White woman, a Black woman > is more likely to get a job than a Black man." > > I was comparing Black men to white women (not black women) and saying > they do better once they are up the top. I was thinking of some of > the people you were. They all learned how to work the system and > ultimately became a part of the network. However recent surveys of > boards have revealed that they are still the exception - not the rule. > Once they get up in the upper echelon, Black men are more readily > excepted than White women. While i is bad for white women in the > board room, the situation is abysmal for Black women in the boardroom. > However, statistically, Black women get in the door easier at > entry-level and lower-management positions than Black men. > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "ravenadal" <ravenadal@> wrote: > > > > I agree with most of what you say below, but my twenty plus years > > looking up through the glass ceiling at corporate america, I have seen > > many more black men than black women ascend to the top corporate spot. > > With Stan O'Neal ousted at Merril Lynch and Richard D. Parsons about > > to retire at Time Warner, Kenneth Chenault remains at American > > Express, Ronald Williams at Aetna, Clarence Otis Jr. at Darden > > Restaurants, Aylwin Lewis at sears and John W. Thompson at Symantac. > > I don't believe there is a similar list of African-American women. > > The top eschelon of corporate America remains an old boy club. > > > > ~rave! > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "tdemorsella" <tdlists@> wrote: > > > > > > Gymfig > > > > > > Most biracial people with African blood are seen as Black - > > > particularly those who look Black, say they are Black and are > > > considered prominent members of the Black community. Obama and his > > > family are seen as Black. The talking heads in the media often refer > > > to him as Black. The conservatives portray him as a Black with muslim > > > leanings. > > > > > > Hilary comes from a connected family, she is worth millions, has a > > > history, ironically of top ties with the republican party starting > > > with Barry Goldwater, and for the last 20 years or so, she has been > > > apart of the elite of the democratic party. The woman is on the board > > > of Walmart. She is considered American Aristocracy. She is a chairs > > > and serves on several powerful committees in the Senate and I do not > > > thing she exactly fit the profile of a woman excluded from the > boardroom > > > > > > I have spent the past 15 years working with, reporting and training > > > people on issues of race in the workplace and I have to tell you the > > > male/female thing is not as black and white when it comes to Black men > > > - even biracial men. While women consistent get paid less than men, > > > Black men get paid less than White men. a Black man with a > > > traditional name is less likely to even get a job interview than a > > > white female. Black men (even biracial men) have higher incidents of > > > discrimination in the workplace than White women. > > > > > > There are other factors at work that you either overlooked or were not > > > aware of. While a Black male who has climbed the corporate ladder > > > playing the game is more likely to fit in the board room than a White > > > woman, a Black woman is more likely to get a job than a Black man. > > > Black men are more likely to get laid off than White women as well. > > > Many educators start feeling threatened by Black males - even biracial > > > Black males that look Black starting at age eight. This continues > > > into adulthood. These are not my assumptions, but facts that have > > > been proved time and again with data. Black men (Black looking > > > biracial men included)in New York and many American cities still can > > > not get a cab and people will cross the street when they see one > > > coming. Black men (Black looking biracial men included)are also still > > > experiencing racial profiling on the road. > > > > > > Despite a history of supporting women in elections, more women voted > > > for Obama and Edwards than Hilary. More young people prefer them, and > > > more union people prefer them. Most people want the war to end and > > > she not only refuses to admit that her war decisions were wrong, she > > > is very hawkish on Iran and Iraq. Since her healthcare initiative of > > > the early nineties, She has been a polarizing force in the democratic > > > party - despite her many right wing stances of late. In polling, very > > > few independents or republicans have indicated that they would vote > > > for her. Last night, she got very few votes from independents, while > > > Obama received 20% votes from independents and I think Edwards got > > > more than 10% independent votes. Because of her marriage to bill and > > > her current power in the senate, there is also the perception that she > > > is part of the status quo during a time when Americans of both parties > > > have indicated that they want significant change. No status quo > > > person of either party or any gender did well last night. > > > > > > I stopped liking Hilary a few years ago when she decided to become a > > > baby Republican with her voting. I understood why, but those > > > decisions made it impossible to support her. Knowing her Republican > > > roots, I was terrified of the prospect of her winning. So, while I > > > wanted Edwards to win, I was OK with Obama's win. If you are a Hilary > > > supporter, you can not be happy with the outcome of yesterday's > > > primary. While it may be comforting to tell yourself that she lost > > > because she is a woman, in my view that is a simplistic notion that > > > flies in the face of a lot of other significant factors - and does not > > > necessarily erasing the existence of these other factors. > > > > > > > > > > > > A black man won over a white woman in Mass. A black man will still > > > get a job > > > > over a competent white woman or black woman. I think that with the > > > win of a > > > > black man it will be harder for blacks "especially black men " to > > > play the > > > > victim. The old boys club does admit black men these days. It is > > > still harder for > > > > a woman white or black to get ahead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > > > > > > > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > >
