--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Darryl:
You said to Gymfig, "It is straight up insulting to assume the things you are about Black people, but particularly, it is insulting to come off the way you are to this group. You¹re talking to us like we¹re children who haven¹t done anything with our lives. Many of us HAVE children. You give NO scientific references for your observations, and you make these grand sweeping judgments based on something you read, for all we know, on someone¹s blog. We¹re scientists, business owners, mathematicians, elected officials, engineers, husbands, fathers, mothers, sisters...this ain¹t rehab, this is one of the most together groups of people you will (apparently) ever come across online. Please respect that. We don¹t deserve to be shouted at like we¹re this rebel band of liberal hippies. We¹re not. And this isn¹t the first time you¹ve done it.We¹re all adults. Why can¹t you just disagree with someone and keep it moving? " Your mistake is that you are expecting civil, intellectual discourse that involves a sharing ideas and opinions and backing them up with cold hard facts. That is not what you will get in a continued discourse here. This is not about difference of opinion, but about distorting the facts, name calling, hating of men - specifically Black men, Saying the all of us have a particular behavior lumping some behaviors distorting what you say, misunderstanding what you say, intentionally not addressing salient points, or simply cutting them out of the reply message to further confuse the issue. The point is to anger and wound you with these distortions, not share differing opinions. The style of communicating reminds me of a style of a pundit called Bill Kristol, a famous neocon who works for the Weekly Standard. He says things like ~"90 percent of the people on the Nobel Committee are into child pornography and molestation." ~"Of all of the dictators in the past, you know the one Al Gore strikes me as [being] closest [to] is Mussolini., ~"Notice what this double-talking slut just did, this mind-slut Barbara Walters. And I stick by those words. She's an empty mind-slut.". ~" Madeline Albright is "a traitor. In my opinion, she should be tried for treason, and when she's found guilty, she should be hung." ; ~"Liberalism is, in essence, the HIV virus, and it weakens the defense cells of a nation." Its not that he is right wing. Like Gymfig, its that his method of discourse is to incite, insult, distort and enrage. Pat Robertson and Joe Scarborough are right wingers who I can watch (even if I might not like them) They back up their statements with facts and don't seek to insult people in their discussions and debates and can concede when their facts are incorrect. That won't happen here in this or any other conversation as far as I can see. This style of non -communication goes back years and seems to have been developed into a full-blown art-form. I've noticed that Gymfig does this with all her discussions. We do not usually pay as much attention to it because she usually just puts down and distorts the facts about entertainers. I'm responding now, because she is doing so about us and our people. I will probably posting this, but I do not know when I've encountered someone say so many ugly sweeping generalizations about me and my people without backing it up with one fact that was not distorted or who worked so hard to distort what I have posted. So here it is. This is Black on Black crime and I abhor it. I guess I have drawn the line in the sand. I did not want to, but the Savage syndrome is likely to continue, so I guess I thought I would let people know what type of non-conversation they are becoming involved with and let them decide if they want to waste their time. Besides I'm sick of the ridiculing insults. Darryl, I applaud you for shutting the sick abusive game down. With so many of our liberties being taken away from us, I loath to stop someone from posting their opinion. I think different opinions have been one of the best things about the list. As a daughter of a former Black Union leader who ran two union newsletter I place a high value on freedom of speech (thats right a Black Union Leader-wow!) So preventing someone from posting is something I have extremely reluctant to do. Taking a deep depressed exhausted sigh.. Tracey > It is straight up insulting to assume the things you are about Black people, but particularly, it is insulting to come off the way you are to this group. You¹re talking to us like we¹re children who haven¹t done anything with our lives. Many of us HAVE children. You give NO scientific references for your observations, and you make these grand sweeping judgments based on something you read, for all we know, on someone¹s blog. We¹re scientists, business owners, mathematicians, elected officials, engineers, husbands, fathers, mothers, sisters...this ain¹t rehab, this is one of the most together groups > of people you will (apparently) ever come across online. Please respect that. We don¹t deserve to be shouted at like we¹re this rebel band of liberal hippies. We¹re not. And this isn¹t the first time you¹ve done it.We¹re all adults. Why can¹t you just disagree with someone and keep it moving? > > > On 1/5/08 9:13 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I get that there is racism. However this is an excuse. This is not 1938. > > Black men were hanged and denied jobs. They could not get into union. Blacks > > women > > could not work. this is 2008 Blacks are more concerned about hip hop than > > homnework. They are concerned about guns than family. Some of this is OUR > > repsonsibility. I don't buy that I am a black man in racist AmeriKKKa any > > more. > > Some day that black man needs to stand on his on two feet with or with out the > > ehlp of the white woman or white man. > > > > These same coorporations are the ones that fund our schools and fund programs > > because people dnn't want to pay taxes. People don't want to have their > > social programs cut. People could care less about unions buecause they see > > them as > > the anti work. You can not blame that on moderate democrats or Republicans. > > Alot of liberal democrats have let this happen. Theyu will continue to let it > > happen. > > > > > > Americans in general are spending more on crap than saving their money. I see > > more people buying stuff for Christmas than they save for an education or > > home. > > > > Everybody is huring, but alot of it is our own fault. You can't wave a magic > > war and for it to all be over. You just can pull out of Iraq and burry your > > head in the sand. We are there, the question is what are we going to do about > > it. We lose, China and the rest of the world wins. It was the liberal > > Democrats > > that keep on funding the war. It is the CBC that wants more meony for their > > own pork projets. It is the Democrats that don't have the guts to stop george > > Bush. You can't blame the moderates or the Republicans for this. > > > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
