I like the cut of your jib, Lavendar. Can I bring anything?
---------[ Received Mail Content ]---------- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Mon, 11 May 2009 01:00:13 -0400 From : <wlro...@aol.com> To : <scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com> I hope to see this tomorrow, which would be today when this email is posted. I too am a core trekkie. I am not saying that I am the one that is dressed in uniform as I am writing this. I have always felt that a movie needs to bring in a new crowd but with doing that not to loose the old one. We are the ones that are buying the product. I find it unlikely that we will see any newbie's at conventions this year based on this movie. I thought that it was cannon that the Vulcan's were a major player in Trek history. If this is not the case then who were? I would love a mention of TPol in this. I mean she might would have been the only person to really do a cross over without a time travel being involved. When I see this, I hope I get the feeling that he has done justice to the series. If not--I am going to Ace Hardware and get a deflector dish. Then I am going to bill a multiplexing beaking to put on top of it to contact the Borg to get rid of JJ Abrams and his crew. Then I going to invite Q over for dinner to try to convince him to fix this whole thing. Any one up for dinner? --Lavender -------------------------------------------------- From: "sincere1906" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:24 AM To: Subject: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* > Okay it's 4am, I saw the new Trek movie about 8 hours ago and am just > getting in after a night of debauchery. So I might be writing this on a > Red Stripe buzz, but here goes... > > S P O I L E R S ! ! ! > > I liked the movie. As a movie, it was good. The plot was decent. There was > well-paced excitement, humor, etc. The cast was relatable. I thought > everyone did a great job playing their roles--even down to Chekhov. So as > a movie, good. I give it 3 stars out of four. > > The larger question, what I suppose matters the most on a group like this, > is was it good Trek? > > On this, I'm truly torn. > > First off, I knew they said get ready to forget everything you know about > Trek, but damn...I didn't know they were this serious! Thanks to that > Romulan ship coming through a black hole and killing Kirk's father, the > timeline that we know from that point on has been severed. The Butterfly > effect has created a host of new phenomenon--right down to a love affar > between Uhuru and Spock--which never seemed to exist before. This was a > bold and daring move. The writers of this new Trek world have an entire > alternate reality on their hands. They can do anything. And with Vulcans > reduced to a virtual minor colony the entire course of the Federation > could be altered, not to mention the balance of power in the Alpha > Quadrant. They should call this "Ultimate Star Trek!" There's a sense of > loss here knowing that the Trek reality that I've long called home no > longer exists (or exists in some other timeline). For all we know future > figures like Picard might never have been born. For the first time I can > recall, we have a Trek spin off that cannot fit into the larger Trek > universe. That will take some getting used to. > > Second, where a part of me is concerned, is I'm trying to figure out where > this new story fits into Roddenberry's vision. Even with all its faults, > the original Trek world was one that took radical positions--a Russian > main character, a black main character, etc. I don't see this Trek taking > any such bold moves. I don't see a vision here, even as we stand in the > midst of a time almost as socially and politically challenging as the > 1960s. Nothing illustrated this more than seeing product placement ads for > Nokia, Budweiser and Jack Daniels. Pardon me for using a cross-sci-fi > swear word, but "what the frack!?!" Earth endures eugenics wars, a nuclear > holocaust, a post-atomic court of horrors, new regional powers (the > Northern Alliance, etc), and somehow Nokia emerges unscathed!?!? The Trek > world I knew seemed to always posit that humanity had come to the verge of > destroying itself, and upon First Contact, from the ashes of the old world > they built a new one--eliminating poverty, war, hunger, disease and > systems that move far beyond capitalism and socialism. In this new Trek > reality, I wouldn't be surprised if Kirk had a credit card! Trek has often > been faulted at being overly utopian in the past, which I agreed could > obscure reality. But this Trek has characters so much like us, I don't > understand how they can possibly be enlightened. Normally Trek folks look > back on our era the way we would at someone stepped out of the 12th > century. Can't see them however debating the philosophical merits of the > prime directive. > > My great fear is that this spawns a whole Trek series that won't have some > universal appeal because they adhere to any dynamic set of principles, but > a Trek universe where things get blow'd up real good and the movie crowd > can clap on cue. Too early to make that judgment before the next film, so > we'll just have to wait and see... > > MHO > > Sin/Black Galactus > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! > > Groups Links > > > > People may lie, but the evidence rarely does. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
