I was delighted to see Kyle Secor--Bayliss from the fantastic series "Homicide"--in the role as Davis' husband. Another underrated, underused actor...
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelwyn" <ravena...@yahoo.com> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 9:44:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I loved "Commander in Chief." I also think it is criminal how ABC mishandled it - firing the creator and original producer - and let it die. Harry Lennix was excellent as her chief of staff. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter <truthseeker...@...> wrote: > > > rave, don't forget that Geena played a female President in the brief series > "Commander in Chief". > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: ravena...@... > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:05:33 +0000 > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the Gena Davis. Ms. Davis is strong and beautiful and her then > husband, Renny Harlin, sought to showcase her as a kick-ass heroine in > back-to-back movies: "Cutthroat Island" and "The Long Kiss Goodnight"). "The > Long Kiss Goodnight" is a great movie but both it and "Cutthroat" were box > office bombs. > > > > ~(no)rave! > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Tracey de Morsella" <tdlists@> wrote: > > > > > > You misread my statement. While I do not discount those stats, that was not > > what I was talking about. Women see famous beautiful women as people they > > strive to look like and often they seek to act like the characters they > > play. > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, when I was younger, I saw Gena Davis with Samuel Jackson in > > â€Å"the long kiss goodnight� She was an assassin who had amnesia > > and became a wife, mother and school teacher. She hit her head and became a > > mother/assassin protecting her own. > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought she was soooooooo coooool!!!!!!!!! But I’m not > > specifically attracted to Gena Davis. > > > > > > > > > > > > Another example of a kick ass broad character I just Love is the Bride in > > Kill Bill, but again, its not specifically about Uma Thurman’s > > sexual appeal, I do not think she is aging that well or that do a bad hair > > and make-up job on her, but I would love to have that crazy eight outfit > > she wore when she took down the all those guys with swords. > > > > > > > > > > > > I see a trend, I think I love kiss Ass Broad Assasin’s/ turned > > mother characters. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I’m not discounting the sexual interest theory you raised, I > > just not referring specifically to it. That being said, I’m sure > > there are tons of women attracted to Megan Fox, but I seriously doubt they > > would have been drawn to her in those promos that made her ugly. They > > needed to let the audience in on the satire > > > > > > > > > > > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On > > Behalf Of Mr. Worf > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:33 PM > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% > > of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act > > on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. > > > > > > I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in > > them a long time ago. > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter <truthseeker013@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious > > attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. > > > > > > As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the > > gents here are hoping for posted images. > > > > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > > From: tdlists@ > > > Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 > > > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem > > > > > > > > > > > > What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( > > > before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, > > > Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel > > > > > > All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy > > > > > > Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do > > > not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with > > > Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was > > > buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day, > > > those things were in okay, so stop laughing. > > > > > > I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was > > > poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing > > > but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which > > > the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the > > > previews a pure slasher horror. If I had not read the reviews, I would have > > > thought that she decided to play up that she is nothing but a body. > > > Regarding young guys.. none of the previews showed her looking appealing, > > > but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her that looked like she might > > > bite off a guys important part. I knew someone who edited a forum/penthouse > > > letters publication once, and stuff like was considered a no-no when it > > came > > > to targeting mainstream males. She did not look sexy in the previews, and > > > the previews is what people use to determine whether to go see it. If I > > > were a young guy who thought she was hot, I would have popped in a > > > transformers DVD instead, based on those previews > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On > > > Behalf Of Kelwyn > > > Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:32 PM > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem > > > > > > I defy you to name a Racquel Welch helmed hit (excluding her first, "One > > > Million Years B.C."). Pam Grier was used and abused (raped and beaten up)in > > > all her movies before she was allowed to kick triumphant butt. Liz Taylor > > > is perhaps the exception that proves the rule but she, too, was slapped > > > around in a number of her iconic roles and the films where she exuded pure > > > female sexual power ("Cleopatra") were not box office hits. > > > > > > And, to be clear about this, the article stated females rejected Fox not > > for > > > being "too sexy and beautiful" but because of her "pure, raw sexuality," > > > which is something else altogether. Barbie is "too sexy and beautiful." > > > Fox is no Barbie doll. > > > > > > There is an ongoing dynamic going on but you may ignore it if it suits you. > > > > > > ~rave! > > > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson <KeithBJohnson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Did I fall asleep? Since when is the pure horror genre driven by female > > > audiences? > > > > And as for women not responding to Fox, is it that she's too sexy and > > > beautiful for them, or (more likely) that she hasn't displayed a range and > > > depth that makes them interested in anything she has to say on screen? I > > > mean, there have been untold numbers of actresses over the years who've > > been > > > classified as beautiful and sexy in the extreme, from Liz Taylor to Racquel > > > Welch, from Pam Grier to Halle Berry. Such women have always found a female > > > audience, depending on the roles they play. > > > > I think this is more the script and Fox's one-note facial expressions. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Kelwyn" <ravenadal@> > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 1:39:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > > > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Entertainment Weekly, October 9, 2009: > > > > > > > > "Jennifer's Body" deadly $6.8 million debut is attributed to Megan Fox's > > > "sexy-beast" persona proving off-putting to women, without whom a horror > > > movie don't stand a chance. "The genre is driven by the female audience, > > and > > > I don't know that girls relate to her," says the executive. "Megan leads > > > with pure, raw sexuality, and for girls it's a turnoff." > > > > > > > > Fox's drawing power will be tested again with next summer's western > > > "Jonah > > > Hex," aimed at her core: young guys. > > > > > > > > "If I were cutting the "Hex" trailer," says a studio strategist, "I'd > > > make > > > sure she was in as much of it as possible - in compromising positions." > > > > > > > > I imagine it would do even better if she could be raped during the movie. > > > > > > > > ~(no)rave! > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa > > > > > hoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. 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