Very, very good series. All three principals are talented actors. Lahti is great as always, and the actors who play her two sons are very impressive. They each have a presence, a serious about them that makes you believe they could be destined for greatness. The whole future flashback angle is good. I never watched "West Wing" (just never got on my schedule) but I imagine this has some of its quality, even though the takes are vastly different. You have to stick with the first few eps, and especially let those flashes of the future seep in, as they tell the story. So much lost potential.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracey de Morsella" <tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 11:53:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem They show that on Comcast on demand here. I always meant to check it out From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:37 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I like that show, but the one I really miss is "Jack and Bobby" the series about the two brothers in our time, one of whom will become President in the future. Starring Christine Lahti as their mother, it was a smart, interesting show, especially in how we'd get "flashbacks" from the President's staffers and friends in the future, and then be brought back to our time to see how he was being shaped. really good show with a really good premise that, alas, didn't catch on. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Baxter" <truthseeker...@hotmail.com> To: "SciFiNoir2" <scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 5:28:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem No, you're not, Tracey. I cussed up a streak when they canceled it. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:57:04 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I loved her in that. I guess I was the only one From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:34 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem rave, don't forget that Geena played a female President in the brief series "Commander in Chief". "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:05:33 +0000 Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem Thank you for the Gena Davis. Ms. Davis is strong and beautiful and her then husband, Renny Harlin, sought to showcase her as a kick-ass heroine in back-to-back movies: "Cutthroat Island" and "The Long Kiss Goodnight"). "The Long Kiss Goodnight" is a great movie but both it and "Cutthroat" were box office bombs. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Tracey de Morsella" <tdli...@...> wrote: > > You misread my statement. While I do not discount those stats, that was not > what I was talking about. Women see famous beautiful women as people they > strive to look like and often they seek to act like the characters they play. > > > > For example, when I was younger, I saw Gena Davis with Samuel Jackson in > “the long kiss goodnight†� She was an assassin who had amnesia and became > a wife, mother and school teacher. She hit her head and became a > mother/assassin protecting her own. > > > > I thought she was soooooooo coooool!!!!!!!!! But I’m not specifically > attracted to Gena Davis. > > > > Another example of a kick ass broad character I just Love is the Bride in > Kill Bill, but again, its not specifically about Uma Thurman’s sexual > appeal, I do not think she is aging that well or that do a bad hair and > make-up job on her, but I would love to have that crazy eight outfit she wore > when she took down the all those guys with swords. > > > > I see a trend, I think I love kiss Ass Broad Assasin’s/ turned mother > characters. > > > > Anyway, I’m not discounting the sexual interest theory you raised, I just > not referring specifically to it. That being said, I’m sure there are tons > of women attracted to Megan Fox, but I seriously doubt they would have been > drawn to her in those promos that made her ugly. They needed to let the > audience in on the satire > > > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On > Behalf Of Mr. Worf > Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:33 PM > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem > > > > > > This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of > women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on > it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. > > I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in > them a long time ago. > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter <truthseeker...@...> wrote: > > > > Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious > attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. > > As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents > here are hoping for posted images. > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > > _____ > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: tdli...@... > Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem > > > > What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( > before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, > Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel > > All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy > > Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do > not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with > Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was > buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day, > those things were in okay, so stop laughing. > > I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was > poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing > but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which > the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the > previews a pure slasher horror. If I had not read the reviews, I would have > thought that she decided to play up that she is nothing but a body. > Regarding young guys.. none of the previews showed her looking appealing, > but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her that looked like she might > bite off a guys important part. I knew someone who edited a forum/penthouse > letters publication once, and stuff like was considered a no-no when it came > to targeting mainstream males. She did not look sexy in the previews, and > the previews is what people use to determine whether to go see it. If I > were a young guy who thought she was hot, I would have popped in a > transformers DVD instead, based on those previews > > -----Original Message----- > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On > Behalf Of Kelwyn > Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:32 PM > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem > > I defy you to name a Racquel Welch helmed hit (excluding her first, "One > Million Years B.C."). Pam Grier was used and abused (raped and beaten up)in > all her movies before she was allowed to kick triumphant butt. Liz Taylor > is perhaps the exception that proves the rule but she, too, was slapped > around in a number of her iconic roles and the films where she exuded pure > female sexual power ("Cleopatra") were not box office hits. > > And, to be clear about this, the article stated females rejected Fox not for > being "too sexy and beautiful" but because of her "pure, raw sexuality," > which is something else altogether. Barbie is "too sexy and beautiful." > Fox is no Barbie doll. > > There is an ongoing dynamic going on but you may ignore it if it suits you. > > ~rave! > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson <KeithBJohnson@> wrote: > > > > Did I fall asleep? Since when is the pure horror genre driven by female > audiences? > > And as for women not responding to Fox, is it that she's too sexy and > beautiful for them, or (more likely) that she hasn't displayed a range and > depth that makes them interested in anything she has to say on screen? I > mean, there have been untold numbers of actresses over the years who've been > classified as beautiful and sexy in the extreme, from Liz Taylor to Racquel > Welch, from Pam Grier to Halle Berry. Such women have always found a female > audience, depending on the roles they play. > > I think this is more the script and Fox's one-note facial expressions. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kelwyn" <ravenadal@> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 1:39:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Entertainment Weekly, October 9, 2009: > > > > "Jennifer's Body" deadly $6.8 million debut is attributed to Megan Fox's > "sexy-beast" persona proving off-putting to women, without whom a horror > movie don't stand a chance. "The genre is driven by the female audience, and > I don't know that girls relate to her," says the executive. "Megan leads > with pure, raw sexuality, and for girls it's a turnoff." > > > > Fox's drawing power will be tested again with next summer's western "Jonah > Hex," aimed at her core: young guys. > > > > "If I were cutting the "Hex" trailer," says a studio strategist, "I'd make > sure she was in as much of it as possible - in compromising positions." > > > > I imagine it would do even better if she could be raped during the movie. > > > > ~(no)rave! > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa > hoo! Groups Links > > > > > > _____ > > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. < > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ > > > > > > -- > Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! > Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. 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