Kimmel is really a writer. He needs to be part of a team writing somewhere and not hosting a show, but ABC has been trying to compete on the late night for years. Fallon is just a waste of space.
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Keith Johnson <keithbjohn...@comcast.net>wrote: > > > Agreed, that's why I'm glad this failed. We need original scripted TV, not > more talk shows in a field already overloaded with mostly mediocre talent > (Kimmel and Fallon especially). And I'm more irritated at Leno, the more I > think of it. He never should have agreed to a 10 pm show that couldn't help > but hurt Conan. > I've said it before: if you want to bring something different to TV, how > about an old-time variety show. Something like Carol Burnett updated, with > skits, singing, dancing, etc. Cedric the Entertainer tried it a while back > and didn't succeed. I believe Brady tried such a show, with little success. > But maybe it could work as a once-a-week show. Surely Americans' tastes > haven't fallen so far that we're satisfied with the likes of "American Idol" > or "Dancing with the Stars"??? > Or maybe a new show similiar to "In Living Color"? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tracey de Morsella" <tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Cc: " Lockhart, Daryle " <dar...@darylelockhart.com>, > afrikanm...@hotmail.com, "Albert Fields" <cbilmarket...@yahoo.com>, > bettil...@msn.com, "CINQUE" <cinque3...@verizon.net>, > dorothyh...@sbcglobal.net, duva...@hotmail.com, fis...@bellsouth.net, > "GTW" <gwashin...@aol.com>, "Jeffrey Ballou" <jeffreypbal...@gmail.com>, > "Kai Pettaway" <killa...@gmail.com>, kalpub...@aol.com, > keithbjohn...@comcast.net, "Kera" <imke...@gmail.com>, "Leroy Hughes" < > seriousnup...@yahoo.com>, "Logic" <logic1...@aol.com>, "Martin Baxter" < > truthseeker...@icqmail.com>, "Marvalous" <mmb1...@gmail.com>, "Michael > Gordon" <gord...@indiana.edu>, "michael v w gordon" < > michael.v.w.gor...@gmail.com>, "ravenadal" <ravena...@yahoo.com>, > rs...@yahoo.com, "Seku Brathwaite" <everything...@nyc.rr.com>, "Valery > Jean" <valeryjea...@yahoo.com>, "Wendell Theophilus Smith" < > wendellsmit...@gmail.com>, "Whitney J Evans" < > sonofafieldne...@sbcglobal.net>, williamsf...@speakeasy.net, "Zanfordino > Anthony" <beta...@yahoo.com> > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:10:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! > > I was reading some media analysis the other day and here is an > interesting perspective. > > > > 1. When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to > compete on ABC against the Tonight Show, as Leno was going to do. > > 2. When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to > present the same show, an hour before his old show > > 3. Most of the audience that tunes into the tonight show is the same > audience that watched the news prior to the tonight show. Most people watch > the news that comes on after the 10:00 pm show they are watching. If people > turn off Leno, and then turn off the news, then Leno was chasing the > audience away from Conan. > > 4. The made Conan tone down his humor once ratings dropped, but if > Leno had not chased away the audience from the news, who is to say what > audience Conan would have pulled > > 5. Leno pulled some sleazy shenanigans with Letterman and now he is > doing the same with Coco. > > > > I hope the Tonight show tanks. > > > > *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Keith Johnson > *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:25 PM > *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! > > > > > > > Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, > but Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker > from NBC all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial > channel, trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need > to stay behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child > who's caught doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of "we made > what we thought was a smart move, but it didn't work". Very little honest > "we screwed it up and screwed O'Brien to boot". > > End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact > replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the > expected differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get > who the hell felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after > only seven months, when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his > stride. And I really don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance > to succeed when Leno had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential > O'Brien viewers, and subjecting the public to talk show overload, possibly > chasing off viewers for both shows. > > NBC screwed this up royally, and made it worse when Ebersol (?) recently > tried to blame a lot of this on O'Brien's refusal to change the Tonight Show > format. I guess we can't blame Leno, who just wants to work, but I wish he'd > have said "no" to the 10 pm show, and really wish he'd say "no" to taking > the Tonight Show back. That would have taught NBC a lesson. > > Frankly I'm glad this all failed. I didn't relish a solid five hours of > primetime being replaced by a talkshow. We're losing enough original > programming on broadcast TV as it is. > > *********************************************** > > http://www.tv.com/conan-obrien-free-at-last!/story/20919.html?tag=hotspot;gumball;1<http://www.tv.com/conan-obrien-free-at-last%21/story/20919.html?tag=hotspot;gumball;1> > Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! > > by Tim Surette <http://www.tv.com/news/author.html?author_id=30> TV.com > Staff Writer 01/21/10 10:15 AM > > [image: Conan O'Brien: Free At > Last!]<http://www.tv.com/the-league/show/77568/summary.html> > > What's the going rate for an unfair firing these days? About $45 million if > you hosted a late-night talk show on a major network. The Conan > O'Brien<http://www.tv.com/conan-obrien/person/3465/summary.html>vs. NBC saga > is finally coming to an end, says > *The Hollywood > Reporter*<http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i58f0e7e6076e5043be5bdbd2e2483b15>, > as both sides have agreed to a deal that frees O'Brien from his contract > with NBC and includes a whole lotta stipulations. > > First, let's talk money—since that's what the whole kerfuffle was about. > The entire settlement is reportedly worth between $45 million and $50 > million, with Conan pocketing $32 million and his staff sharing $12 million. > But don't feel too bad for Johnny the Janitor; reports say O'Brien will be > supplementing his employees' severance packages out of his pocket. > > O'Brien's last night behind the desk of *The Tonight Show with Conan > O'Brien<http://www.tv.com/the-tonight-show-with-conan-obrien/show/75634/summary.html> > * will be tomorrow (Friday, January 22), with Conan repeats airing until > the start of the Winter Olympics. After that, Jay > Leno<http://www.tv.com/jay-leno/person/2431/summary.html>will return to > *The Tonight Show with Jay > Leno<http://www.tv.com/the-tonight-show-with-jay-leno/show/10020/summary.html> > * on March 1, global warming will cease, world peace will rule, and the > long war between cats and dogs shall end. Or so NBC believes. > > The deal also bars Conan from hosting another show until September, and all > the characters Conan created for his shows—including the lovable Pimpbot, > the very relatable Masturbating Bear, and Triumph the Insult Comic Dog—will > *gulp* remain the property of NBC, which will let them collect dust in their > mausoleum of stolen artifacts. Triumph is the cash cow here, and he should > belong to Robert > Smigel<http://www.tv.com/robert-smigel/person/47611/summary.html>, > who does all of the delightfully distasteful dog's improv and masterful > puppeteering. > > The final tally? Conan received the dream job he worked his entire life for > for a total of seven months. > > The big questions now: What will Conan do next? What *should* Conan do > next? And how will audiences respond to the return of Jay Leno? > > > > > > > > > > -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
