I'll bet they're in meetings as we type this, wondering how to bottle the magic.
"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 04:37:55 +0000 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! I saw that it was great! Ironic that most of the talk show hosts--including the principals involved--have gotten their funniest bits in years out of this. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Baxter" <truthseeker...@hotmail.com> To: "SciFiNoir2" <scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 4:16:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! Keith, Fallon did what was, IMO, his first funny bit the other night. He was doing a mock tribute to Conan by sneaking into what used to be his studio back when Conan had "Late Night", Boyz 2 Men in tow, and singing "It's So Hard (To Say Goodbye)", then pouring out a 40 (of Coke) on the floor as Dr Oz, who now shoots in that studio, comes in and yells, "What are you doing in here?" "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:35:29 +0000 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! Amen! The only thing about his show that makes me laugh is when you see him running in the opening credits, as if he's late for the show. And frankly, Conan's version of that was way funnier. When he took over The Tonight Show and moved to LA, he opened with a hilarious bit that made it seem as if he ran all the way from East to West coast-in his suit and tie! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr. Worf" <hellomahog...@gmail.com> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 6:09:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! No it doesn't. That was just a marketing plot to show how "hip" he is. He's so unfunny that he could possibly be defined as ANTI-COMEDY. On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Kelwyn <ravena...@yahoo.com> wrote: Having the Roots as his house band absolves Mr. Fallon of all sins. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf" <hellomahog...@...> wrote: > > Oh don't get me started! :) Fallon is the worst waste of space on tv! > Infomercials are more entertaining than his disjointed sap! > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 8:55 PM, C.W. Badie <astromancer2...@...>wrote: > > > > > > > No, really, Mr. Worf, tell us how you really feel... > > > > > > "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" > > From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie > > > > --- On *Fri, 1/22/10, Mr. Worf <hellomahog...@...>* wrote: > > > > > > From: Mr. Worf <hellomahog...@...> > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:44 PM > > > > > > Kimmel is really a writer. He needs to be part of a team writing somewhere > > and not hosting a show, but ABC has been trying to compete on the late night > > for years. Fallon is just a waste of space. > > > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Keith Johnson <KeithBJohnson@ > > comcast.net<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=keithbjohn...@...> > > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Agreed, that's why I'm glad this failed. We need original scripted TV, not > >> more talk shows in a field already overloaded with mostly mediocre talent > >> (Kimmel and Fallon especially). And I'm more irritated at Leno, the more I > >> think of it. He never should have agreed to a 10 pm show that couldn't help > >> but hurt Conan. > >> I've said it before: if you want to bring something different to TV, how > >> about an old-time variety show. Something like Carol Burnett updated, with > >> skits, singing, dancing, etc. Cedric the Entertainer tried it a while back > >> and didn't succeed. I believe Brady tried such a show, with little success. > >> But maybe it could work as a once-a-week show. Surely Americans' tastes > >> haven't fallen so far that we're satisfied with the likes of "American > >> Idol" > >> or "Dancing with the Stars"??? > >> Or maybe a new show similiar to "In Living Color"? > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Tracey de Morsella" <tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. > >> com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tdli...@...> > >> > > >> To: scifino...@yahoogro > >> ups.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com> > >> Cc: " Lockhart, Daryle " <dar...@darylelockha > >> rt.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dar...@...>>, > >> afrikanmind@ > >> hotmail.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=afrikanm...@...>, > >> "Albert Fields" <cbilmarketing@ > >> yahoo.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cbilmarket...@...>>, > >> bettil...@msn. > >> com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bettil...@...>, > >> "CINQUE" <cinque3...@verizon. > >> net<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cinque3...@...>>, > >> dorothyhamm@ sbcglobal. > >> net<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dorothyh...@...>, > >> duva...@hotmail. > >> com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=duva...@...>, > >> fis...@bellsouth. > >> net<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fis...@...>, > >> "GTW" <gwashin...@aol. > >> com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gwashin...@...>>, > >> "Jeffrey Ballou" <jeffreypballou@ > >> gmail.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jeffreypbal...@...>>, > >> "Kai Pettaway" <killa...@gmail. > >> com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=killa...@...>>, > >> kalpub...@aol. > >> com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kalpub...@...>, > >> keithbjohnson@ > >> comcast.net<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=keithbjohn...@...>, > >> "Kera" <imke...@gmail. > >> com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=imke...@...>>, > >> "Leroy Hughes" <seriousnupe87@ > >> yahoo.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=seriousnup...@...>>, > >> "Logic" <logic1...@aol. > >> com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=logic1...@...>>, > >> "Martin Baxter" <Truthseeker013@ > >> icqmail.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=truthseeker...@...>>, > >> "Marvalous" <mmb1...@gmail. > >> com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mmb1...@...>>, > >> "Michael Gordon" <gord...@indiana. > >> edu<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gord...@...>>, > >> "michael v w gordon" <michael.v.w. gor...@gmail. > >> com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=michael.v.w.gor...@...>>, > >> "ravenadal" <ravena...@yahoo. > >> com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ravena...@...>>, > >> rs...@yahoo. com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rs...@...>, > >> "Seku Brathwaite" <everythingist@ > >> nyc.rr.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=everything...@...>>, > >> "Valery Jean" <valeryjean77@ > >> yahoo.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=valeryjea...@...>>, > >> "Wendell Theophilus Smith" <wendellsmithis@ > >> gmail.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wendellsmit...@...>>, > >> "Whitney J Evans" <sonofafieldnegro@ sbcglobal. > >> net<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sonofafieldne...@...>>, > >> williamsfred@ speakeasy. > >> net<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=williamsf...@...>, > >> "Zanfordino Anthony" <beta...@yahoo. > >> com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=beta...@...> > >> > > >> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:10:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > >> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! > >> > >> I was reading some media analysis the other day and here is an > >> interesting perspective. > >> > >> > >> 1. When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to > >> compete on ABC against the Tonight Show, as Leno was going to do. > >> 2. When Jonny Carson handed over the reins, he did not opt to > >> present the same show, an hour before his old show > >> 3. Most of the audience that tunes into the tonight show is the > >> same audience that watched the news prior to the tonight show. Most people > >> watch the news that comes on after the 10:00 pm show they are watching. If > >> people turn off Leno, and then turn off the news, then Leno was chasing the > >> audience away from Conan. > >> 4. The made Conan tone down his humor once ratings dropped, but if > >> Leno had not chased away the audience from the news, who is to say what > >> audience Conan would have pulled > >> 5. Leno pulled some sleazy shenanigans with Letterman and now he is > >> doing the same with Coco. > >> > >> > >> > >> I hope the Tonight show tanks. > >> > > > > > > *From:* scifino...@yahoogro > > ups.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com>[mailto:scifino...@yahoogro > > ups.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com>] > > *On Behalf Of *Keith Johnson > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:25 PM > > > > *To:* scifino...@yahoogro > > ups.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com> > > *Subject:* [scifinoir2] Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, thirty-plus mill to get *fired*? And his staff splits twelve mill, > > but Conan's going to give them extra cash? That's cool. I've seen Zucker > > from NBC all over the tube, everywhere from Charlie Rose to the financial > > channel, trying to explain this debacle. Reminds one of why some people need > > to stay behind the scenes. He comes off as defensive, surly, like a child > > who's caught doing something wrong, but remains defiant. A lot of "we made > > what we thought was a smart move, but it didn't work". Very little honest > > "we screwed it up and screwed O'Brien to boot". > > > > End of story: I still don't get who felt that Conan could be an exact > > replacement for Leno, given the differences in their appeal, and the > > expected differences in what demographics Conan would attract. I don't get > > who the hell felt it was sufficient to say that o'Brien had failed after > > only seven months, when it took Leno himself a year-and-a-half to hit his > > stride. And I really don't get who in the world thought O'Brien had a chance > > to succeed when Leno had a show on earlier than his, both sapping potential > > O'Brien viewers, and subjecting the public to talk show overload, possibly > > chasing off viewers for both shows. > > > > NBC screwed this up royally, and made it worse when Ebersol (?) recently > > tried to blame a lot of this on O'Brien's refusal to change the Tonight Show > > format. I guess we can't blame Leno, who just wants to work, but I wish he'd > > have said "no" to the 10 pm show, and really wish he'd say "no" to taking > > the Tonight Show back. That would have taught NBC a lesson. > > > > Frankly I'm glad this all failed. I didn't relish a solid five hours of > > primetime being replaced by a talkshow. We're losing enough original > > programming on broadcast TV as it is. > > > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ******** > > http://www.tv. com/conan- obrien-free- at-last!/ story/20919. html?tag= > > hotspot;gumball; > > 1<http://www.tv.com/conan-obrien-free-at-last%21/story/20919.html?tag=hotspot;gumball;1> > > Conan O'Brien: Free At Last! > > > > by Tim Surette <http://www.tv.com/news/author.html?author_id=30> TV.com > > Staff Writer 01/21/10 10:15 AM > > > > [image: Conan O'Brien: Free At > > Last!]<http://www.tv.com/the-league/show/77568/summary.html> > > What's the going rate for an unfair firing these days? About $45 million if > > you hosted a late-night talk show on a major network. The Conan > > O'Brien<http://www.tv.com/conan-obrien/person/3465/summary.html>vs. NBC > > saga is finally coming to an end, says > > *The Hollywood > > Reporter*<http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i58f0e7e6076e5043be5bdbd2e2483b15>, > > as both sides have agreed to a deal that frees O'Brien from his contract > > with NBC and includes a whole lotta stipulations. > > First, let's talk moneyâ€"since that's what the whole kerfuffle was about. > > The entire settlement is reportedly worth between $45 million and $50 > > million, with Conan pocketing $32 million and his staff sharing $12 million. > > But don't feel too bad for Johnny the Janitor; reports say O'Brien will be > > supplementing his employees' severance packages out of his pocket. > > O'Brien's last night behind the desk of *The Tonight Show with Conan > > O'Brien<http://www.tv.com/the-tonight-show-with-conan-obrien/show/75634/summary.html> > > * will be tomorrow (Friday, January 22), with Conan repeats airing until > > the start of the Winter Olympics. After that, Jay > > Leno<http://www.tv.com/jay-leno/person/2431/summary.html>will return to > > *The Tonight Show with Jay > > Leno<http://www.tv.com/the-tonight-show-with-jay-leno/show/10020/summary.html> > > * on March 1, global warming will cease, world peace will rule, and the > > long war between cats and dogs shall end. Or so NBC believes. > > The deal also bars Conan from hosting another show until September, and all > > the characters Conan created for his showsâ€"including the lovable Pimpbot, > > the very relatable Masturbating Bear, and Triumph the Insult Comic > > Dogâ€"will > > *gulp* remain the property of NBC, which will let them collect dust in their > > mausoleum of stolen artifacts. Triumph is the cash cow here, and he should > > belong to Robert > > Smigel<http://www.tv.com/robert-smigel/person/47611/summary.html>, > > who does all of the delightfully distasteful dog's improv and masterful > > puppeteering. > > The final tally? Conan received the dream job he worked his entire life for > > for a total of seven months. > > The big questions now: What will Conan do next? What *should* Conan do > > next? And how will audiences respond to the return of Jay Leno? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! > > Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ > > of_darkness/<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! > Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ > ------------------------------------ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ Individual Email | Traditional http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! 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