I meant Wilson.
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Kelwyn <ravena...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Teddy Roosevelt was President of the United States from 1901 to 1909. He
> was dead in 1919. "Birth of a Nation" was released in 1915. How, what and
> who did Roosevelt's alleged change of mind influence?
>
> ~rave?
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf" <hellomahog...@...> wrote:
> >
> > Birth of a nation was seen by all of the important people of the time.
> That
> > includes Teddy Roosevelt who changed his political platform because of
> that
> > movie.
> >
> > Stepin Fetchit may not have existed if Birth of a nation hadn't affected
> so
> > many people. It was also at the time studied by film makers world wide.
> > Still is. That is much more damaging.
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Kelwyn <ravena...@...> wrote:
> >
> > > I'll tell you why the dissemination of Stepin Fetchit is more insidious
> > > than "Birth of a Nation." It is more insidious because it is "benign."
> > > "Birth of a Nation" (1915) is one vile movie which, even at its
> height, was
> > > seen by relatively small proportion of the nation's populace (due to
> lack of
> > > distribution and movie screens available in 1915). Lincoln Perry made
> > > FIFTY-TWO movies between 1925 and 1976 - movies that had much more
> currency
> > > than "Nation" ever had. Further, again unlike "Nation," which became a
> > > cinematic pariah and was rarely seen, Perry's movies became a staple of
> > > early afternoon and late night televison in the fifties and the sixties
> -
> > > further disseminating the lie of "the laziest man in the world."
> > >
> > > Many more politicians and employers were polluted by Perry's fifty-two
> > > movies than by "Birth of a Nation."
> > >
> > > But, not to lose sight of my original assertion, "Birth of a Nation" is
> > > still a notable cinematic accomplishment - in spite of its content.
> > >
> > > ~rave!
> > >
> > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "B Smith" <daikaiju66@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So the depiction of blacks as childish, chicken and watermelon eating
> > > savages with an insatiable lust for white women didn't do as much harm
> as
> > > Stephin Fetchit? Screenings of Birth of Nation directly lead to riots,
> > > racial attacks and murders and was used as a recruitment tool by the
> KKK.
> > > Sorry I respectfully disagree.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn" <ravenadal@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Apples and oranges. Still, a remarkable cinematic achievement. I
> was
> > > blown away when I saw it. Griffith practically invented modern
> cinematic
> > > language.
> > > > >
> > > > > Indicting Griffith for the rise of KKK is like indicting Samuel
> Colt
> > > for drive by shootings. Guilty as charged but, still, largely
> irrelevant.
> > > > >
> > > > > Me, personally, would be more inclined to indict John M. Stahl ("In
> Old
> > > Kentucky"), the first director to employ Stepin Fetchit as "the Laziest
> Man
> > > in the World." This image was waaaay more destructive to black people
> than
> > > anything in "Birth of a Nation."
> > > > >
> > > > > ~rave!
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf" <HelloMahogany@>
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Shot by a genius that was personally responsible for the rebirth
> of
> > > the kkk
> > > > > > and the racial stereotypes about black men, and mexicans that are
> > > still with
> > > > > > us today.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:03 AM, Kelwyn <ravenadal@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Content aside, "Gone with the Wind" like "Birth of a Nation" is
> > > savvy,
> > > > > > > populist entertainment. If you are racially sensitive, avoid
> both
> > > at all
> > > > > > > costs as the narratives will suck you in. "Nation" is truly
> > > remarkable on
> > > > > > > just a technical basis. It is still a gorgeous looking film.
> D.W.
> > > Griffith
> > > > > > > was a cinematic genius.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ~rave!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson
> <KeithBJohnson@>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In terms of pure dollars, "Avatar" will soon become the
> biggest
> > > of all
> > > > > > > time. (In terms of dollars adjusted for time, sadly, I think
> "Gone
> > > With the
> > > > > > > Wind" is still the champ). The country-by-country
> breakdown is
> > > pretty
> > > > > > > interesting. Australia over thirty mill, France, Algeria and
> > > Tunisia, over a
> > > > > > > hundred, and ninety mill in Russia? Wow, truly an
> international
> > > hit.Â
> > > > > > > Even Turkey with eight million. But what's up with Syria: only
> > > eighty-seven
> > > > > > > thousand?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=avatar.htm
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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