So was Triumph of the Will but it's still a repellent piece of trash.
BOAN is groundbreaking but that the message and imagery will always overpower
the craft for me.
Stephen Fetchit doesn't get a pass from me either. I just think Birth is the
worse offender.
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn" <ravena...@...> wrote:
>
> I'll tell you why the dissemination of Stepin Fetchit is more insidious than
> "Birth of a Nation." It is more insidious because it is "benign." "Birth of
> a Nation" (1915) is one vile movie which, even at its height, was seen by
> relatively small proportion of the nation's populace (due to lack of
> distribution and movie screens available in 1915). Lincoln Perry made
> FIFTY-TWO movies between 1925 and 1976 - movies that had much more currency
> than "Nation" ever had. Further, again unlike "Nation," which became a
> cinematic pariah and was rarely seen, Perry's movies became a staple of early
> afternoon and late night televison in the fifties and the sixties - further
> disseminating the lie of "the laziest man in the world."
>
> Many more politicians and employers were polluted by Perry's fifty-two movies
> than by "Birth of a Nation."
>
> But, not to lose sight of my original assertion, "Birth of a Nation" is still
> a notable cinematic accomplishment - in spite of its content.
>
> ~rave!
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "B Smith" <daikaiju66@> wrote:
> >
> > So the depiction of blacks as childish, chicken and watermelon eating
> > savages with an insatiable lust for white women didn't do as much harm as
> > Stephin Fetchit? Screenings of Birth of Nation directly lead to riots,
> > racial attacks and murders and was used as a recruitment tool by the KKK.
> > Sorry I respectfully disagree.
> >
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn" <ravenadal@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Apples and oranges. Still, a remarkable cinematic achievement. I was
> > > blown away when I saw it. Griffith practically invented modern cinematic
> > > language.
> > >
> > > Indicting Griffith for the rise of KKK is like indicting Samuel Colt for
> > > drive by shootings. Guilty as charged but, still, largely irrelevant.
> > >
> > > Me, personally, would be more inclined to indict John M. Stahl ("In Old
> > > Kentucky"), the first director to employ Stepin Fetchit as "the Laziest
> > > Man in the World." This image was waaaay more destructive to black
> > > people than anything in "Birth of a Nation."
> > >
> > > ~rave!
> > >
> > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf" <HelloMahogany@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Shot by a genius that was personally responsible for the rebirth of the
> > > > kkk
> > > > and the racial stereotypes about black men, and mexicans that are still
> > > > with
> > > > us today.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:03 AM, Kelwyn <ravenadal@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Content aside, "Gone with the Wind" like "Birth of a Nation" is savvy,
> > > > > populist entertainment. If you are racially sensitive, avoid both at
> > > > > all
> > > > > costs as the narratives will suck you in. "Nation" is truly
> > > > > remarkable on
> > > > > just a technical basis. It is still a gorgeous looking film. D.W.
> > > > > Griffith
> > > > > was a cinematic genius.
> > > > >
> > > > > ~rave!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson <KeithBJohnson@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In terms of pure dollars, "Avatar" will soon become the biggest of
> > > > > > all
> > > > > time. (In terms of dollars adjusted for time, sadly, I think "Gone
> > > > > With the
> > > > > Wind" is still the champ).Ã The country-by-country breakdown is
> > > > > pretty
> > > > > interesting. Australia over thirty mill, France, Algeria and Tunisia,
> > > > > over a
> > > > > hundred, and ninety mill in Russia?Ã Wow, truly an international
> > > > > hit.Ã
> > > > > Even Turkey with eight million. But what's up with Syria: only
> > > > > eighty-seven
> > > > > thousand?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=avatar.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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