Actually, "Triumph of the Will" makes my argument better than yours. This
movie is best remembered for its continuing influence on movies, documentaries,
and commercials - and by that, I mean its use of moving cameras, the use of
telephoto lenses to create a distorted perspective, aerial photography, and its
revolutionary approach to the use of music and cinematography.
~rave!
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "B Smith" <daikaij...@...> wrote:
>
> So was Triumph of the Will but it's still a repellent piece of trash.
> BOAN is groundbreaking but that the message and imagery will always overpower
> the craft for me.
>
> Stephen Fetchit doesn't get a pass from me either. I just think Birth is the
> worse offender.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn" <ravenadal@> wrote:
> >
> > I'll tell you why the dissemination of Stepin Fetchit is more insidious
> > than "Birth of a Nation." It is more insidious because it is "benign."
> > "Birth of a Nation" (1915) is one vile movie which, even at its height, was
> > seen by relatively small proportion of the nation's populace (due to lack
> > of distribution and movie screens available in 1915). Lincoln Perry made
> > FIFTY-TWO movies between 1925 and 1976 - movies that had much more currency
> > than "Nation" ever had. Further, again unlike "Nation," which became a
> > cinematic pariah and was rarely seen, Perry's movies became a staple of
> > early afternoon and late night televison in the fifties and the sixties -
> > further disseminating the lie of "the laziest man in the world."
> >
> > Many more politicians and employers were polluted by Perry's fifty-two
> > movies than by "Birth of a Nation."
> >
> > But, not to lose sight of my original assertion, "Birth of a Nation" is
> > still a notable cinematic accomplishment - in spite of its content.
> >
> > ~rave!
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "B Smith" <daikaiju66@> wrote:
> > >
> > > So the depiction of blacks as childish, chicken and watermelon eating
> > > savages with an insatiable lust for white women didn't do as much harm as
> > > Stephin Fetchit? Screenings of Birth of Nation directly lead to riots,
> > > racial attacks and murders and was used as a recruitment tool by the KKK.
> > > Sorry I respectfully disagree.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn" <ravenadal@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Apples and oranges. Still, a remarkable cinematic achievement. I was
> > > > blown away when I saw it. Griffith practically invented modern
> > > > cinematic language.
> > > >
> > > > Indicting Griffith for the rise of KKK is like indicting Samuel Colt
> > > > for drive by shootings. Guilty as charged but, still, largely
> > > > irrelevant.
> > > >
> > > > Me, personally, would be more inclined to indict John M. Stahl ("In Old
> > > > Kentucky"), the first director to employ Stepin Fetchit as "the Laziest
> > > > Man in the World." This image was waaaay more destructive to black
> > > > people than anything in "Birth of a Nation."
> > > >
> > > > ~rave!
> > > >
> > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf" <HelloMahogany@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Shot by a genius that was personally responsible for the rebirth of
> > > > > the kkk
> > > > > and the racial stereotypes about black men, and mexicans that are
> > > > > still with
> > > > > us today.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:03 AM, Kelwyn <ravenadal@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Content aside, "Gone with the Wind" like "Birth of a Nation" is
> > > > > > savvy,
> > > > > > populist entertainment. If you are racially sensitive, avoid both
> > > > > > at all
> > > > > > costs as the narratives will suck you in. "Nation" is truly
> > > > > > remarkable on
> > > > > > just a technical basis. It is still a gorgeous looking film. D.W.
> > > > > > Griffith
> > > > > > was a cinematic genius.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ~rave!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson <KeithBJohnson@>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In terms of pure dollars, "Avatar" will soon become the biggest
> > > > > > > of all
> > > > > > time. (In terms of dollars adjusted for time, sadly, I think "Gone
> > > > > > With the
> > > > > > Wind" is still the champ).Ã The country-by-country breakdown is
> > > > > > pretty
> > > > > > interesting. Australia over thirty mill, France, Algeria and
> > > > > > Tunisia, over a
> > > > > > hundred, and ninety mill in Russia?Ã Wow, truly an international
> > > > > > hit.Ã
> > > > > > Even Turkey with eight million. But what's up with Syria: only
> > > > > > eighty-seven
> > > > > > thousand?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=avatar.htm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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