Adrianne, I can't agree with you in saying that the storyline was "an incoherent mess". It made sense to me, but that might have been me filling in holes with my own imagination/past knowledge of the series.
As for the contravening of time rules, the absence of the Time Lords to police such explains that (something I never thought of until the Tenth Doctor saved Captain Brook and two other Bowie crew). I assume that the Shadow Convention tries to cover such, but I reckon it a nigh impossibility, given that no one has as intimate a knowledge of time as the Time Lords did. I DO have to agree with you about the roles of women under Moffat. Seems as though he's still trying to write the show as the kids' show it originally was back in '63, when it's clearly for the grown-ups. Maybe someone will troll this comment and improve on it. Here's hoping. (And I like Amy... though that might be the Guy in me talking. Martin digs ginger chicks. [?]) Took me a bit to get the fez joke. Okay, third watching. On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Adrianne Brennan < adrianne.bren...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I just think the whole storyline was an awful, incoherent mess. For > starters, the huuuuuge contradicting of time rules already established > (Father's Day, anyone?) and I absolutely can't stand River Song. I wish when > they killed off her char she stayed dead; she annoys me that much. The "I'm > awesome cause I say so" is old, tiring, and irritating. For once I'd like a > strong woman created by Moffat who didn't come off as a shrill, annoying > b*tch, but I don't think that's likely to happen. Women in Moffat's DW > stories are either boy-crazy and/or only important in marriage and > procreation. > > Amy I see has gained an additional facial expression to make a total of > three. So much for character development. > > Rory is actually pretty good; I wish he had been the sole companion or > Amelia as a child who actually was a good actress and came off as being > really interesting. Moffat as usual has no problems making male characters; > the female he still has trouble with without doing some bizarrely sexist > crap. > > The fez scene (no spoilers) was awesome and actually made me laugh. I think > it was one of the few moments I wasn't staring at the screen wondering how > people were continuing to watch this show and call it Doctor Who. > > I'm sorry and no offense intended for people who enjoyed it; I just can't > understand why you did. > > > ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~ > http://www.adriannebrennan.com > Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon > Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath > The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): > http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html > > > On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Martin Baxter <martinbaxt...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> >> >> I do, Mr Worf. That changed at the end when Rory was unmade by the Crack >> in Time. Though it should have been remade when Rory was redone... time >> travel. Used to love it, but now it gives me migraines. >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Mr. Worf <hellomahog...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Another thing that kind of bugged me was in the episode where they >>> visited the mining company. Out in the distance, they see Amy Pond and her >>> fiance waving. Anyone remember that? >>> >>> I did enjoy the conclusion of Padorica Opens when the Doctor bounced back >>> and forth in time. >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Kelwyn <ravena...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> What I liked about "The Pandorica Opens" episode is that it supposes a >>>> time loop reality where Amy Pond "creates" the Doctor. In essence, by >>>> following various notes and clues left for her, she had trained all her >>>> life >>>> to be his companion. >>>> >>>> Also, in essence, everything that happens in the eleventh Doctor's arc, >>>> has already happened and is being influenced by events that take place in >>>> the future and two thousand years ago. >>>> >>>> ~rave! >>>> >>>> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf" <hellomahog...@...> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Does anyone get the feeling that Amy Pond knows too much? She answers >>>> a lot >>>> > of questions before the doctor does. I don't think that is a >>>> coincidence. >>>> > >>>> > Also, what about the doctor's former roommate? Allowing someone to >>>> share his >>>> > information could be a dangerous thing. >>>> > >>>> > On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 7:05 PM, angelababycat <asrobin...@...>wrote: >>>> > >>>> > > Who was it (Martin?) that said you dance with the Doctor who brought >>>> you to >>>> > > the party? Tenant was my favorite because I never watched DW >>>> regularly >>>> > > until I joined this group last year and noticed all the buzz about >>>> > > show...taped all the eps in the 2-day New Years marathon, so that's >>>> what I >>>> > > know. Martha was a little love-struck, but is still my fav >>>> companion, and >>>> > > Donna would be 2nd because she had the tough sensibillity of a >>>> mature woman. >>>> > > The current Dr. doesn't do much for me and neither does Amy Pond. >>>> Maybe >>>> > > I'll just be one of those one-doctor Dr. Who fans, but I'll stick >>>> with it >>>> > > for now. >>>> > > >>>> > > If you like River Song, Alex plays the character very similarly to >>>> her role >>>> > > in Moll Flanders, which was on PBS, BBC or something in the mid >>>> 90's. It >>>> > > must be the type of character she likes best, because I never really >>>> got >>>> > > into any of her other roles. >>>> > > >>>> > > Angela >>>> > > >>>> > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson <KeithBJohnson@> >>>> > > wrote: >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Was the original concept of the Doctor always intended to be this, >>>> that >>>> > > the character would change so new actors could bring different >>>> aspects of >>>> > > his personality to the fore? I ask because it's always a fascinating >>>> > > discussion to see which Doctor we like--which says more about us >>>> than the >>>> > > Doctor. For example, I still prefer Eccleston for the very reasons >>>> you >>>> > > mentioned: he was tough (I'd say, rather than "rough"), world and >>>> war-weary, >>>> > > but trying to shake off his ghosts. For some reason I really liked >>>> that. >>>> > > Tennant was great, but I liked Eccleston's hard edge better. >>>> > > > And I like Donna more than Martha because Donna was tougher, >>>> giving as >>>> > > good as the Doctor gave. Martha to me was way too much of a >>>> lovestruck >>>> > > puppy, and seemed to have fallen for the Doctor too hard and too >>>> fast. >>>> > > Something about that irritated me. I like that Donna would call his >>>> BS in a >>>> > > second. I am glad, though, that at Tennant's "death", they revealed >>>> that >>>> > > Martha married Mickey, who had been too long cuckolded by on >>>> again/off again >>>> > > girlfriend Rose Tyler's love for the Doctor. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > > > From: "Sammie A" <jazzynupe007@> >>>> > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >>>> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2010 6:41:36 PM >>>> > > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > I agree with everyone on this one. Matt is still kind of lost 2 me >>>> (i >>>> > > think it's the long face and the too much, too big hair). River Song >>>> is >>>> > > simply delicious! Cannot wait on the ep where the Doctor finally >>>> knows her, >>>> > > knows her....................and of course how she is going 2 kill >>>> him. Must >>>> > > say, I really miss David Tennant. Wasn't really crazy about >>>> Christopher >>>> > > Eccleston....he was like Timothy Dalton's James Bond (not suave, but >>>> > > rough)...Eccleston was not really smarty, but rough. Tennant >>>> embraced the >>>> > > 'whiz kid' role perfectly. Kind of like Tom Baker (the 4th doctor) >>>> did back >>>> > > in my formative youth days. As for companions, Amy Pond is >>>> soooooooooooooo >>>> > > much better to me than that hideous Donna Noble (Catherine Tate). >>>> Still say >>>> > > my favorite companion is/was Martha Jones (Freeman Agyeman), but >>>> that's just >>>> > > my opinion. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Fate. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > --- On Sun, 8/8/10, Mike Street <streetforce1@> wrote: >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > From: Mike Street <streetforce1@> >>>> > > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale >>>> > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >>>> > > > Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 9:46 PM >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > The last 6 esp. did get much better but overall not the best >>>> season of >>>> > > DW. I'm more interested in River Song's adventures and I think she >>>> is >>>> > > stealing the show from Matt Smith. I'm slightly hoping to do a spin >>>> off show >>>> > > for River Song cause she is fun. She is going to eventually kill the >>>> Dr. but >>>> > > I think they will give Matt Smith another season before they need to >>>> find a >>>> > > new Dr. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:36 PM, < adrianne.brennan@ gmail.com > >>>> wrote: >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > She is? O_O Not in my book... >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >>>> > > > >>>> > > > From: Charles < char...@sheehanmile s.net > >>>> > > > Sender: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com >>>> > > > Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 16:31:17 -0500 >>>> > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com < scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > >>>> > > > ReplyTo: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com >>>> > > > Cc: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com < scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > >>>> > > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Was excellent. Not a huge fan of the new doctor, but his Amy Pond >>>> is a >>>> > > well thought out, very interesting character, and the finale was >>>> spectacular >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Sent from my iPhone >>>> > > > >>>> > > > On Aug 8, 2010, at 4:25 PM, "Kelwyn" < ravena...@yahoo. com > >>>> wrote: >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > I just finished watching the penultimate and season finale of the >>>> new Dr. >>>> > > Who. "The Pandorica Opens" is one of my favorite Dr. Who episodes >>>> ever - I >>>> > > love the way it and the succeeding episode tie up most of the easter >>>> eggs >>>> > > scattered since "The Raggedy Doctor" episode. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > "The League of Evil" banning together to save humanity is good >>>> stuff! >>>> > > > >>>> > > > And Alex Kingston is priceless as Dr. River Song. I have never >>>> been an >>>> > > Alex Kingston fan, but this is a perfect melding of actress and >>>> role. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > The Sophie Okonedo cameo as Liz Ten (Queen Elizabeth the Tenth, >>>> for you >>>> > > scoring at home) is a welcome surprise. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > It is a sincere sensation to see a sci-fi arc that was actually >>>> > > pre-planned, well thought out and well executed (as opposed to how >>>> "X-Files" >>>> > > and "Lost" did it - just to name two). >>>> > > > >>>> > > > All this and a two-thousand year love story. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > I loved it. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > ~rave! >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > -- >>>> > > > Get Social and Follow Me: >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Read my blog at http://BrandsGoSoci al.com >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Join me on Facebook >>>> > > > http://facebook. com/mikestreet >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Follow me on Twitter >>>> > > > Twitter: http://www.twitter. com/streetforce1 >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Join the Harlem NY Community >>>> > > > http://www.facebook .com/harlemny >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > ------------------------------------ >>>> > > >>>> > > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo >>>> ! >>>> > > Groups Links >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! >>>> > Mahogany at: >>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Post your SciFiNoir Profile at >>>> >>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! >>>> Groups Links >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! >>> Mahogany at: >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell >> wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik >> >> >> > > -- "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
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