I think it's just that, Mr Worf. On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 6:36 AM, Mr. Worf <hellomahog...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > If they wait any longer it will become impossible to send any team into > space. Or is it the cost of bureaucracy and could be done by a private > corporation for 1/100th of the cost? > > > On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 3:16 AM, Martin Baxter <martinbaxt...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> >> >> We can, but it's expensive as all get-out. >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Mr. Worf <hellomahog...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> I was watching a show about mining the moon last night. They said that >>> the cost of returning to the moon would be about $100 Billion now. I don't >>> understand how it could cost so much money to do a manned mission. I wonder >>> how much of the cost would change if they were to use a >>> different propulsion system? >>> >>> One question I do have is why can't they make H3 here? They are saying >>> that one ton of H3 would be worth several billion. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Keith Johnson <keithbjohn...@comcast.net >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Somewhere in my old house in Fort Worth is a schematic of an ion drive I >>>> did in second grade, after watching an ep of "Star Trek" (had to be >>>> "Spock's >>>> Brain"), and reading about electrolytes in my encyclopedia set. I'd read >>>> about how cesium, when immersed in water, would produce ions in solution, >>>> and I'd read about theories for Magnetohydrodynamics (MHD), the idea of >>>> using fusion power to drive plasma as a source of motion. Then there was >>>> that Trek ep where they said the aliens who took Spock's brain used ion >>>> power, which Kirk said was even beyond Federation tech. So, sure that I'd >>>> stumbled on a major secret, I took pen to paper. I drew a cutaway of the >>>> Jupiter Two from Lost in Space. Inside was a giant water tank. Sitting >>>> next >>>> to the tank, like a coal scuttle on a stem locomotive, was a big pile of >>>> cesium bricks--just sitting there. Next to them were some crazy robot arms >>>> with gloved "hands" (think of all the robot extremities as depicted in old >>>> cartoons). The robot hands--two of them--would take turns dumping cesium >>>> bricks into the water tank. Attached to the tank was a big A battery and >>>> wiring so that the ions in solution could be driven to one side of the tank >>>> by the negative pole of the battery. I then had what was for all the world >>>> a >>>> tailpipe sticking out the side of the ship, through which the electrons >>>> would shoot into space. >>>> Of course, my eight year old self was certain I'd just solved the >>>> problem of both ion drive and FTL travel. To this day I remember how >>>> excited >>>> I was at what I thought I'd created! >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Mr. Worf" <hellomahog...@gmail.com> >>>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >>>> Sent: Saturday, September 4, 2010 4:02:26 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Subcritical accelerator driven thorium nuclear >>>> reactor >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The truly futuristic stuff is starting to appear. Once people completely >>>> move away from the big government thinking on energy I think the flood >>>> gates >>>> will open with new ideas. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Martin Baxter >>>> <martinbaxt...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Took them long enough. >>>>> >>>>> One of my college instructors had a similar thought back in the late >>>>> 70s. 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